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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flamestrike" data-source="post: 6642754" data-attributes="member: 6788736">Thats pretty much it.Assuming Grog and Legolandir start their turns not being able to be seen 'clearly enough' they can both attempt to hide. Legolandir just needs to find himself a small ficus or some heavy rain or fog to Hide in. Grog needs to reach a wall or other cover, or total concealment without being seen clearly on his way there. The MotW ability just widens the range of stuff the Elf can hide 'in' (presuming he meets the other precondition of not being seen 'clearly enough' at the start of his turn).It's still a remarkably useful ability. DM: 'Alright -the Ogre reels from the massive axe hit from Grog the Barbarian and roars in anger. Steve - its now your Elfs turn, you only have 3 HP left right?' Steve: 'Yep... im sitting this one out. Hey DM, can the Ogre see me clearly or is he too distracted by the Bear barbarian who smashed him in the face with his axe last turn?'DM: 'Yeah, looks to you that he is pretty distracted - you don't think he can see you clearly'Steve: 'Is there any cover or concealment around?'DM: 'Nope; the clearing you are in is pretty open. You do notice a small ficus that was nearly trampled by the Ogre last turn. It's about 20' from the Ogre, and about 20' from you. It provides light natural obscurement...'Steve: 'Whew - I'll move over behind the ficus and attempt to Hide'.DM: 'Cool - make a check' (Steve rolls and gets a 15 - enough to hide from the Ogre).DM: 'Right (looks at Drogo Flaggins - Halfling Rogue 2's - player Bob) - its your turn'Bob: 'I was watching the Elf and could see him clearly so he is not hidden from me right?'DM: 'Yep; you saw him run behind the ficus and can see him peering out from behind it'.Bob: 'Can the Ogre see me clearly?'DM: 'Nope; it has its back to you.'Bob: 'Sweet - ill move over to behind the ficus and attempt to Hide'DM: 'Bob - youre a halfling - you cant hide in a ficus - you need total cover or concealment to hide'Bob: 'Oh yeah - OK - I'll use my Halfling racial ability to hide behind the Elf lurking behind the ficus!'DM: 'OK cool. Roll a Steath check'Bob: 'I got a 13 - Does the Ogre see me?'DM: 'It doesnt appear so'Bob: 'Awesome - I moved 20' this turn and used my bonus action from cunning action to Hide - I still have my action left. I'll use my action for the turn to shoot at the Ogre from hiding with advantage! (Rolls, getting a 5 and a 16. Rolls damage, Ogre survives). DM: The Ogre screams in pain and turns around. It's its turn.Bob: The Ogre cant see me - I'm hidden!DM: 'Nope. You revealed your position when you fired your shot. You are no longer hidden. The Ogre (which can now see the Halfling, but not the Elf he hides behind due to the ficus still concealing him) advances towards to you clobber you.Steve: 'Good one bro. Youve brought it over here!'Bob: 'Just stay in your ficus man. I got this'etc</blockquote>

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