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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scurvy_Platypus" data-source="post: 4469487" data-attributes="member: 43283">You guys seem to be talking at cross-purposes.One of you wants to be able to beat the stuffing out of high level characters. "Even though your character is high level, you should _never_ take it for granted that you'll be able to stomp something."The other is cheering on mook rules, and how that can make a player feel bad-ass as they mow through people.I think the "mob" approach is going to work just fine for Jeff, since he wants to inspire fear.roguerouge should really be looking at "mook" rules. I guess mook rules could be kinda implemented through some sort of template, but my gut instinct is that mooks aren't a template. Main reason being that templates are adding a bunch of abilities and so forth to a creature(s). Whereas mook rules are sidestepping the "normal" rules (which a templated creature in theory is following) and going for a faster and simplified version. The faster and simplified version of resolving hits, damage, and so forth is what allows for that "I am MIGHTY!!!" kind of thing that using mooks promotes.Mobs are almost a force of nature and it's difficult for a single (or small) group of people to stand against them.Edit:Take a look here for some ideas to get more of what you seem to be looking for roguerouge:<a href="http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-3rd-edition-house-rules/208523-mook-rules.html" target="_blank">http://www.enworld.org/forum/d-d-3rd-edition-house-rules/208523-mook-rules.html</a>I personally like the approach that Tonguez takes, but I go a step further. The HD of the creature provides the initial BaB. For every additional [number you pick] mooks, add +1 to the BaB. Damage is the same. You're not rolling a die for each member of the group, it's a single roll for each group. When the appropriate number of hits has been scored, remove a member of the group.A mook group can be scared off by doing an intimidation check. Base should be something like 10+ 1 for each member of the group. If you want to make the players feel big, you can have the group make something like a rout check; decide what the mooks base morale would be, and then apply a penalty for every casualty they've taken in combat.</blockquote>

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