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<blockquote data-quote="karolusb" data-source="post: 6814156" data-attributes="member: 83359">You know what we called the guy with 2 18's back when we rolled stats?&nbsp; The cheater.&nbsp; I love the elemental rewrite that was posted early.&nbsp; Just played a game to level 14 and it is a massive upgrade to the elementalist, thanks both to the added cantrips and the versatility (making them probably a close 3rd for most powerful monks in the PHB, as opposed to DNF).&nbsp; Even so, the monk seriously drops in both offensive and defensive utility at later levels (really noticeable before 11th, when I would ahve anticipated it).&nbsp; Dodge as bonus is great, but basically means you have given up on damage, stunning fist can derail an encounter, but unless you are dropping 5 ki a round you will probably rarely see it do anything, overall I saw more dramatic utility out of clench the north wind (though if you want to be a hold person monkey, monk is literally the worst class choice available).&nbsp; I did enjoy playing a monk tremendously.&nbsp; The number of times I changed the entire face of an encounter (not always purely to our benefit) with shape the flowing river paid for the class.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="karolusb, post: 6814156, member: 83359"] You know what we called the guy with 2 18's back when we rolled stats? The cheater. I love the elemental rewrite that was posted early. Just played a game to level 14 and it is a massive upgrade to the elementalist, thanks both to the added cantrips and the versatility (making them probably a close 3rd for most powerful monks in the PHB, as opposed to DNF). Even so, the monk seriously drops in both offensive and defensive utility at later levels (really noticeable before 11th, when I would ahve anticipated it). Dodge as bonus is great, but basically means you have given up on damage, stunning fist can derail an encounter, but unless you are dropping 5 ki a round you will probably rarely see it do anything, overall I saw more dramatic utility out of clench the north wind (though if you want to be a hold person monkey, monk is literally the worst class choice available). I did enjoy playing a monk tremendously. The number of times I changed the entire face of an encounter (not always purely to our benefit) with shape the flowing river paid for the class. [/QUOTE]

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