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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 6815219" data-attributes="member: 6795602">Let's compare a level 5 monk with a level 5 fighter.  I will first compare without feats.  I am assuming a day filled with 6 different combats that each last 4 rounds.  I am assuming 2 short rests per day.  I did not factor in crit chance.Fighter, Level 1: 16 str, greatsword (avg dmg 8.33), avg damage per attack = 11.33, 11.33*24 (attacks per day) = 272 damage per day, 272*50% (chance to hit average level 1 monoster) = 136 avg damage per dayLevel 2: 16 str, greatsword (avg dmg 8.33), avg damage per attack = 11.33, 11.33*24 + 11.33*3 (uses of action surge per day) = 11.33*27*50% = 153 avg damage per dayLevel 3: 153 avg damage per day from attacks and 12 uses of battlemaster dice per day (2 short rests).  You will miss 50% of your attacks.  That means there are 12 misses on average.  I will turn approximately 6 of those 12 misses into hits using precision strike on each one.  153 + 11.33*6 = 221 avg damage per day.  Level 4: (+2 str) = 12.33dmg and 55% hit rate = 183.1 avg damage (including action surge).  10.8 avg misses now.  So approximately 5.5 * 12.33 = 67.815 damage from precision strike.  288.815 avg damage per day.Level 5: 12.33*27*2*55% = 366.201 (including action surge) + approximately 21 misses.  about 8.25 turned into hits = 8.25*12.33 = 101.7225 =469.9 avg damage per day.*But most people don't use precision strike and average damage per day is much lower if you look at 12 *1d8 extra damage from manuevers.  At level 5 that comes out to 420 damage per day.Monk 16 dexLvl 1 = 1d8+3 + 1d4+3 = 13 * .5 = 6.5 * 24 =  156 avg damage per dayLvl 2 = 156 + 1d4+3 * 50% * 6 (flurry of blows 6x per day) = 16.5 = 172.5 avg damage per dayLvl 3 = 172.5 avg damage per day + 2.5+3 * 50% * 3 = 8.25 + 172.5 = 180.75Lvl 4 = 1d8+4+1d4+4 * .55 * 24 + 1d4+4*.55*16 = 198 + 57.2 = 255.2Lvl 5 = 1d8+4 + 1d8+4 + 1d6+4 * .55*24 = 323.4 + 1d6+4*.55*20 = 323.4 + 82.5 = 405.9The featless version of monk is very comparable to a featless fighter in the damage department especially early game.In actual party play stunning strike is going to typically be much stronger than flurry of blows IMO.Shadow Monk is my favorite as the innate ability to cast darkvision allows you to easily go human for an extra level 1 feat.  I like to take healer with this as the first few levels I'm squishy and it helps with that and helps the party alot.  Teleportation at level 6 is really cool too and does a ton for exploration.Basically what I am trying to say is that a monk can stay close enough to most fighters damage output that i'd rather have a 100% pure monk than a fighter.  The only time that analysis is different is pre level 5 because the monk is a little squishy in the early game and a fighter is like a rock.</blockquote>

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