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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 7020152" data-attributes="member: 5890">My view is that you CAN chain someone, however if they take an action to break out of the chains, their strength check would automatically succeed. If they're determined to strain against the illusion, it cannot hold them, so their mind will rationalize that as the chains breaking.Similarly if you try to lock someone in a metal box and they throw themselves against the wall intending to knock it down: the wall won't stop them, so they'll rationalize it breaking or a door opening or some such thing.Note, however if they were to (say) attempt to pick the lock on the chains or to pound their fist on the wall to make noise, the illusion will seem real and they will not escape.I might even allow illusions to speak to their victims in languages the caster doesn't know: however it's going to be a flawed method if you want to use it to communicate, because the end result will be &quot;Given the illusionary appearance I chose, interpreted by the target, how would that appearance try to communicate the idea that I'm thinking of?&quot;.Also you don't get to see the results of your action: only the target perceives the illusion.For example if you're trying to speak to an orc, and your illusion is &quot;an orc&quot; and the words you are trying to get across are &quot;let's not fight these guys&quot;, you might end up with the target perceiving a compatriot he views as weak being cowardly and be pretty confused when the end result is that the orc charges you, determined to prove his bravery. Of course if you do manage to start a dialogue, you're going to need to use comprehend languages to interpret any response.So: situationally useful, but not as good as tongues.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 7020152, member: 5890"] My view is that you CAN chain someone, however if they take an action to break out of the chains, their strength check would automatically succeed. If they're determined to strain against the illusion, it cannot hold them, so their mind will rationalize that as the chains breaking. Similarly if you try to lock someone in a metal box and they throw themselves against the wall intending to knock it down: the wall won't stop them, so they'll rationalize it breaking or a door opening or some such thing. Note, however if they were to (say) attempt to pick the lock on the chains or to pound their fist on the wall to make noise, the illusion will seem real and they will not escape. I might even allow illusions to speak to their victims in languages the caster doesn't know: however it's going to be a flawed method if you want to use it to communicate, because the end result will be "Given the illusionary appearance I chose, interpreted by the target, how would that appearance try to communicate the idea that I'm thinking of?". Also you don't get to see the results of your action: only the target perceives the illusion. For example if you're trying to speak to an orc, and your illusion is "an orc" and the words you are trying to get across are "let's not fight these guys", you might end up with the target perceiving a compatriot he views as weak being cowardly and be pretty confused when the end result is that the orc charges you, determined to prove his bravery. Of course if you do manage to start a dialogue, you're going to need to use comprehend languages to interpret any response. So: situationally useful, but not as good as tongues. [/QUOTE]

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