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<blockquote data-quote="lkwpeter" data-source="post: 7020846" data-attributes="member: 6804713">I changed my mind. Your arguments sound reasonable to me. The rules say &quot;On a failed save, you create a phantasmal object, creature. or other visible phenomenon of your choice...&quot; (PHB 264). I believe that makes it quite clear. Otherwise, I would have no problems, if my DM would allow things like an illusion of a pit, because it's simply not game changing.Furthermore I found some very interesting argumentation on <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/5syyrj/can_i_put_a_creature_in_chains_with_the/" target="_blank">reddit</a> concerning chaining/caging creatures with PF:So, to sum this up I believe the key is that you can't directly affect the target phyiscally. Instead, you need to create something, so that the creature acts the way you want it to. The example of the fire cage above is the best way to describe it. That also means that chaining a person is not possible, because its arms/legs would simply go through the illusion. The creatrure would afterwards rationalize its escape in some way - but it would be free.I think concerning this makes the spell suitable for level 2. Otherwise it would be too powerful and overlap with other spells.<ul>
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[QUOTE="lkwpeter, post: 7020846, member: 6804713"] I changed my mind. Your arguments sound reasonable to me. The rules say [I]"On a failed save, you create a phantasmal object, creature. or other visible phenomenon of your choice..."[/I] (PHB 264). I believe that makes it quite clear. Otherwise, I would have no problems, if my DM would allow things like an illusion of a pit, because it's simply not game changing. [B]Furthermore I found some very interesting argumentation on [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/5syyrj/can_i_put_a_creature_in_chains_with_the/"]reddit[/URL] concerning chaining/caging creatures with PF: [/B] So, to sum this up I believe the key is that [B]you can't directly affect the target phyiscally. Instead, you need to create something, so that the creature acts the way you want it to.[/B] The example of the fire cage above is the best way to describe it. That also means that [B]chaining a person is not possible[/B], because its arms/legs would simply go through the illusion. The creatrure would afterwards rationalize its escape in some way - but it would be free. I think concerning this makes the spell suitable for level 2. Otherwise it would be too powerful and overlap with other spells. [LIST] [/LIST] [/QUOTE]

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