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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 7021169" data-attributes="member: 5890">Why does he have to remain chained up? You created an illusion of the chains. The target won't disbelieve the illusion unless he makes  his check.However he CAN rationalize moving his arms while the chains exist: He broke free of them.Because you interpret it how I have above: you can slap almost any status effect you want on someone... but they can typically take actions to free themselves, and you cannot make them remain constrained, even if they never succeed at their investigation check. The spell only really works if the subject thinks they cannot just walk out of their restraints.So instead of creating a set of manacles with no way out, create a set of manacles with a puzzle. The manacles are loose and go into some unknown mechanism in the wall. In front of the subject is a key on a pedestal. Pulling on the manacle chain causes a bladed cover to descend over the key. You can juuuuust get your fingers into the path of the blade by reaching.There: an intelligent subject will try to puzzle their way out, probably taking damage from the illusion a few times, and certainly wasting more than 6 seconds trying to work out what's going on. I wouldn't expect most adventurers to immediatelya) try to muscle their way out of the chains (which will work immediately)b) carefully inspect the trap (which grants an investigation check)I'd expect them to try to reach the key, withdraw when the blade comes down, try again and get hit by the blade, look for an item on their person that they can knock the key down with and then attempt that, etc etc. Eventually they'll stop and just inspect the mechanism or get sick of it and try to break out: but you've bought yourself a few rounds of the illusion working by making them think they can get out in some specific way.</blockquote>

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