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How does the Phantasmal Force spell work correctly?
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<blockquote data-quote="Undrhil" data-source="post: 7023739" data-attributes="member: 77538"><p>Actually, it can. The only way for the spell to end is for the target to make the original INT saving throw, or to succeed on a Intelligence (Investigation) check to determine it isn't real. </p><p></p><p>If a the spell makes the target think their hands are bound with chains and they stretch their arms apart, the creature sees both of his hands moving the same way or not moving at all, even though *everyone else sees it spreading its arms wide*. If you summon a box over its head, it is blinded. It can't simply lift the box off of its head, possibly because the box has sealed around its head? Possibly because whenever he tries to lift it, his hands slip off?</p><p></p><p>That's what the spell means by the target rationalizing any inconsistencies: the spell is still effecting it, even though the target thinks it's done something that should have stopped it. Therefore, it comes up with some reason for why it is still being affected. That's why the example given of a bridge and the creature falling anyway, the creature thinks they were pushed or slipped ... *not that the bridge broke or they passed through it*.</p><p></p><p>Now, you can rule that each of those attempts to remove it are INT (investigation) checks, but it really doesn't have any reason to investigate immediately. I mean, it's facing a wizard, why wouldn't a wizard be able to do those things to it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Undrhil, post: 7023739, member: 77538"] Actually, it can. The only way for the spell to end is for the target to make the original INT saving throw, or to succeed on a Intelligence (Investigation) check to determine it isn't real. If a the spell makes the target think their hands are bound with chains and they stretch their arms apart, the creature sees both of his hands moving the same way or not moving at all, even though *everyone else sees it spreading its arms wide*. If you summon a box over its head, it is blinded. It can't simply lift the box off of its head, possibly because the box has sealed around its head? Possibly because whenever he tries to lift it, his hands slip off? That's what the spell means by the target rationalizing any inconsistencies: the spell is still effecting it, even though the target thinks it's done something that should have stopped it. Therefore, it comes up with some reason for why it is still being affected. That's why the example given of a bridge and the creature falling anyway, the creature thinks they were pushed or slipped ... *not that the bridge broke or they passed through it*. Now, you can rule that each of those attempts to remove it are INT (investigation) checks, but it really doesn't have any reason to investigate immediately. I mean, it's facing a wizard, why wouldn't a wizard be able to do those things to it? [/QUOTE]
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