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How does the Phantasmal Force spell work correctly?
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<blockquote data-quote="Gadget" data-source="post: 7026576" data-attributes="member: 23716"><p>While the balance of this spell as written may be in question, and I would not presume to have all of the answers or I may not understand your meaning here, I think it is quite clear that these type of spells are designed to "waste" an action on the part of victim.</p><p></p><p>From <em>Silent Image</em>: "A creature that <em>uses its action</em> to examine the image can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC."</p><p>The language from <em>Major Image</em> is the same.</p><p></p><p>From the spell under discussion: "The target can <em>use its action</em> to examine the phantasm with an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC". </p><p></p><p>It seems pretty clear that the target must "waste" an action to investigate the phantasm to escape the spell's effects. Unlike other illusion spells, this spell does not create an actual 'holographic' image in space for any to see, but an image that only exists in the target's mind. Therefore interaction does not expose the image as false as it does with the <em>Image</em> spells. Now, I would probably have most semi-intelligent NPCs/Monsters perform an investigation action after fighting (and being mauled by) a bear for several rounds, YMMV. </p><p></p><p>Once again, it may be that I misinterpreted your meaning and you understand this perfectly well and are simply ruling this way to tone down what you consider to be an overpowered spell. If so, I apologize.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gadget, post: 7026576, member: 23716"] While the balance of this spell as written may be in question, and I would not presume to have all of the answers or I may not understand your meaning here, I think it is quite clear that these type of spells are designed to "waste" an action on the part of victim. From [I]Silent Image[/I]: "A creature that [I]uses its action[/I] to examine the image can determine that it is an illusion with a successful Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC." The language from [I]Major Image[/I] is the same. From the spell under discussion: "The target can [I]use its action[/I] to examine the phantasm with an Intelligence (Investigation) check against your spell save DC". It seems pretty clear that the target must "waste" an action to investigate the phantasm to escape the spell's effects. Unlike other illusion spells, this spell does not create an actual 'holographic' image in space for any to see, but an image that only exists in the target's mind. Therefore interaction does not expose the image as false as it does with the [I]Image[/I] spells. Now, I would probably have most semi-intelligent NPCs/Monsters perform an investigation action after fighting (and being mauled by) a bear for several rounds, YMMV. Once again, it may be that I misinterpreted your meaning and you understand this perfectly well and are simply ruling this way to tone down what you consider to be an overpowered spell. If so, I apologize. [/QUOTE]
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