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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 7027933" data-attributes="member: 5890">There's way more creatures with a high con than there are with a high int. Even things that are described as cunning manipulative spellcasters get an int of 13-15. The sole exception is dragons.Explain why phantasmal force cannot paralyze the target? if you can create any visible phenomenon and you can also determine the end result of that, then there isn't anything stopping you creating a full body force field that holds the target motionless.Yeah, suggestion is a busted spell IMO. There's a reason that command's single word instruction was considered too powerful and reduced to a simple menu.Right, but blindness/deafness does one thing and one thing only. It doesn't eliminate a foe from a fight: it reduces their effectiveness. Hold person and phantasmal force can potentially not only eliminate a foe from a fight, but also let you kill them super good.Again: you are considering only the combat applications of the spell and ignoring any intelligent use. Phantasmal force used to do the same thing as these spells should be less effective. Otherwise why would you memorize these spells instead of phantasmal force?First: the auto free condition (in this case) probably won't come up anyway: even the strongest foe only has a 30% chance to bust out of basic equipment manacles - it's a fundamentally bad course of action to take.Secondly: I'm encouraging the illusionist to pick out something appropriate to his target instead of just encasing everything in an invincible field of opaque burning energy, which just becomes the default if the only way to free yourself is an investigation check.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 7027933, member: 5890"] There's way more creatures with a high con than there are with a high int. Even things that are described as cunning manipulative spellcasters get an int of 13-15. The sole exception is dragons. Explain why phantasmal force cannot paralyze the target? if you can create any visible phenomenon and you can also determine the end result of that, then there isn't anything stopping you creating a full body force field that holds the target motionless. Yeah, suggestion is a busted spell IMO. There's a reason that command's single word instruction was considered too powerful and reduced to a simple menu. Right, but blindness/deafness does one thing and one thing only. It doesn't eliminate a foe from a fight: it reduces their effectiveness. Hold person and phantasmal force can potentially not only eliminate a foe from a fight, but also let you kill them super good. Again: you are considering only the combat applications of the spell and ignoring any intelligent use. Phantasmal force used to do the same thing as these spells [i]should[/i] be less effective. Otherwise why would you memorize these spells instead of phantasmal force? First: the auto free condition (in this case) probably won't come up anyway: even the strongest foe only has a 30% chance to bust out of basic equipment manacles - it's a fundamentally bad course of action to take. Secondly: I'm encouraging the illusionist to pick out something appropriate to his target instead of just encasing everything in an invincible field of opaque burning energy, which just becomes the default if the only way to free yourself is an investigation check. [/QUOTE]

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