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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 7288288" data-attributes="member: 6921763">First of all, stay jovial, lowkey13 - it's more fun that way.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />Second of all, some of your &quot;textual support&quot; is taken out of, um, context.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />PHB pg 15&quot;When your character gains a level, his or her class often grants additional features, as detailed in the class description. Some of these features allow you to increase your ability scores, either increasing two scores by 1 each or increasing one score by 2. You can’t increase an ability score above 20. In addition, every character’s proficiency bonus increases at certain levels.&quot;One might say that this is a specific rule - a specific rule regarding ability score in the context of gaining a level.&nbsp; Not the fabled &quot;hard-cap&quot; of 20 always.PHB p49 (and others)&quot;When you reach 4th level, and again at 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. As normal, you can’t increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.&quot; &nbsp;Context: ability score improvements as a result of, yep, gaining a level.PHB pg 173&quot;A score of 10 or 11 is the normal human average, but adventurers and many Monsters are a cut above average in most Abilities. A score of 18 is the highest that a person usually reaches. Adventurers can have scores as high as 20, and Monsters and divine beings can have scores as high as 30.&quot;This one is a bit wiggly but it is hardly what I would call concrete proof of a &quot;hard-cap&quot;.&nbsp; In fact, it could be in reference to a 1st level adventurer.&nbsp; We don't know, because ambiguity and stuff.To sum up:&nbsp; I don't see/interpret/feel/whatever the general rule of the &quot;hard-cap&quot; and I don't think a lot of people do either.&nbsp; All that said, one of your earlier posts sums up this discussion nicely, lowkey13.&nbsp; If you'll allow me to paraphrase:&nbsp; this (meaning having your level 4+ character with a 20 in your core stat die then reincarnated and then rolling for a specific race with a +2 bonus in your core class stat after you already did NOT choose a race with a +1 or +2 in that stat at the time of character creation) is such a corner case that it is likely to come up precisely never.&nbsp; Make it stop!&nbsp; Dangit - I'm part of the problem!&nbsp; [drops silverware, runs screaming from house] <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :P"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 7288288, member: 6921763"] First of all, stay jovial, lowkey13 - it's more fun that way. :) Second of all, some of your "textual support" is taken out of, um, context. :) PHB pg 15 [I]"When your character gains a level, his or her class often grants additional features, as detailed in the class description. Some of these features allow you to increase your ability scores, either increasing two scores by 1 each or increasing one score by 2. [B]You can’t increase an ability score above 20.[/B] In addition, every character’s proficiency bonus increases at certain levels."[/I] One might say that this is a [B]specific [/B]rule - a specific rule regarding ability score in the context of gaining a level. Not the fabled "hard-cap" of 20 always. PHB p49 (and others) [I]"When you reach 4th level, and again at 8th, 12th, 16th, and 19th level, you can increase one ability score of your choice by 2, or you can increase two ability scores of your choice by 1. [B]As normal, you can’t increase an ability score above 20 using this feature.[/B]"[/I] Context: ability score improvements as a result of, yep, gaining a level. PHB pg 173 [I]"A score of 10 or 11 is the normal human average, but adventurers and many Monsters are a cut above average in most Abilities. A score of 18 is the highest that a person usually reaches. [B]Adventurers can have scores as high as 20, and Monsters and divine beings can have scores as high as 30.[/B]"[/I] This one is a bit wiggly but it is hardly what I would call concrete proof of a "hard-cap". In fact, it could be in reference to a 1st level adventurer. We don't know, because ambiguity and stuff. To sum up: I don't see/interpret/feel/whatever the general rule of the "hard-cap" and I don't think a lot of people do either. All that said, one of your earlier posts sums up this discussion nicely, lowkey13. If you'll allow me to paraphrase: this (meaning having your level 4+ character with a 20 in your core stat die then reincarnated and then rolling for a specific race with a +2 bonus in your core class stat after you already did NOT choose a race with a +1 or +2 in that stat at the time of character creation) is such a corner case that it is likely to come up precisely never. Make it stop! Dangit - I'm part of the problem! [I][drops silverware, runs screaming from house][/I] :P [/QUOTE]

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