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Message: <blockquote data-quote="WizarDru" data-source="post: 3247212" data-attributes="member: 151">I'm not sure I'm getting the distinction, here.  Are you saying that if it happens purely in the beginning, it's not railroading, but if I get five minutes in to the adventure and the same event happens, it is? In the context of the Slaver series, you finish A3 as fairly competent and powerful character.  The DM reaches the end of A3 and suddenly it's all for naught.  You finish the module as a prisoner and start A4 without any spells, equipment and such.  As 7th level characters under AD&D, that's pretty significant.  I suppose if you accept the arbitrary cut-off point, that might not bother you.  I've never played with anyone who wouldn't, in some capacity, find that annoying.  How annoying varies from person to person, but being suddenly told that you were captured, stripped naked and tossed in a pen after having gone toe-to-toe with a Flesh Golem, Minotaur, Gelatinous cube, Hellhound and Shambling Mounds and lived to tell the tale...that's fine for a tournament, but for an ongoing campaign, I don't think it ever flew that well.  In fact, it sounds like your arguing for what I already described, which is that no matter what choices or preparations the players make in Slavers, when they hit a certain point in the module, they are forced into being slaves.  Isn't that exactly what you were describing?True and 'Whisper of the Vampire's Blade' is very guilty of this as it's prime plot element.  It's potentially bad design...unless it's in something like Mutants and Masterminds, where the player actually is compensated for such an event (in the form of Hero Points).</blockquote>

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