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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Persiflage" data-source="post: 5337249" data-attributes="member: 73597">I've seen some really effective grappling/lockdown builds in play involving dips to Tome of Battle classes to pick up Setting Sun and Stone Dragon maneuvers.  Adding the constrict ability to a Large (or larger) grappler is nice.On the other hand, said builds either circumvented or subverted the general objections to grappling by a) doing more-or-less as much damage in a grapple as a melee attacker would, and b) having a load of combat options that weren't grappling so they could still be useful when grappling was ill-advised or ineffective.Half-Giant Psychic Warriors can make devastating grapplers: Expansion plus a load of natural weapons make for a real Magimix effect.  The big plus with PsyWar is that you get a good number of bonus feats, so adding a couple of grapple-specific feats into the mix doesn't lose you too much elsewhere.  And of course they can not only do plenty of damage in a grapple, but also retain a bucketload of other combat options.For all of that though, I echo the general sentiment.  Grappling isn't a great PC tactic in the long run.Actually, thats arrant nonsense: grappling is a fantastic tactic for PC's, but usually only when the Wizard or Druid do it  <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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