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How exactly does the Feywild time warp work? (Can it be used for going back in time?)
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<blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 7541848" data-attributes="member: 71699"><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">A wonderful question! I have several ideas relating to it, starting with the following.</span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The line of reasoning assumes that the die roll determines the time step. That can't be measured directly and may not be true. Alice can do experiments like these:</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Experiment A - M/0 > F/0 > F/1 > M/x</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Iterating A gives her a Monte Carlo appreciation of f(x) where time spent in F is 1.</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Experiment B - M/0 > F/0 > F/1 > F/2 > M/x'</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Iterating B gives her a Monte Carlo appreciation of f(x) where time spent in F is 2.</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Experiment C - M/0 > F/0 > F/1 > M/x > M/x+1 > F/x+1 > M/x''</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Iterating C gives her a Monte Carlo appreciation of f(x) iterated. It can't prove that M/x' == M/x''.</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Experiment C is not commensurate with M/0 > F/0 > F/x+1 because x can't be known until she returns to M. With hindsight, she can suggest probabilities, but they are only descriptive. The mechanism remains unknown to her.</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">She can't prove that the global function is not consistent, because she cannot go back in time to repeat any experiment. She can show that when there are multiple jumps bunched up, she's less likely to experience a given time step; but she can't show that, that's not what would have happened had she taken only one jump on that occasion. What she discovers is a version of observer effect, which she cannot explain using ordinary day-to-day concepts. She is forced to conclude that the number of jumps an observer makes changes the probability of the outcome, without ever knowing if that outcome wouldn't have been reached anyway. Assigning a probability is different from describing the mechanism.</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></span></span></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: inherit"><span style="font-family: 'arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Do you see what I mean?</span></span></span></span></span></strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="clearstream, post: 7541848, member: 71699"] [B][FONT=arial][SIZE=3] A wonderful question! I have several ideas relating to it, starting with the following. [FONT=inherit][FONT=arial][SIZE=3] The line of reasoning assumes that the die roll determines the time step. That can't be measured directly and may not be true. Alice can do experiments like these: Experiment A - M/0 > F/0 > F/1 > M/x Iterating A gives her a Monte Carlo appreciation of f(x) where time spent in F is 1. Experiment B - M/0 > F/0 > F/1 > F/2 > M/x' Iterating B gives her a Monte Carlo appreciation of f(x) where time spent in F is 2. Experiment C - M/0 > F/0 > F/1 > M/x > M/x+1 > F/x+1 > M/x'' Iterating C gives her a Monte Carlo appreciation of f(x) iterated. It can't prove that M/x' == M/x''. Experiment C is not commensurate with M/0 > F/0 > F/x+1 because x can't be known until she returns to M. With hindsight, she can suggest probabilities, but they are only descriptive. The mechanism remains unknown to her. She can't prove that the global function is not consistent, because she cannot go back in time to repeat any experiment. She can show that when there are multiple jumps bunched up, she's less likely to experience a given time step; but she can't show that, that's not what would have happened had she taken only one jump on that occasion. What she discovers is a version of observer effect, which she cannot explain using ordinary day-to-day concepts. She is forced to conclude that the number of jumps an observer makes changes the probability of the outcome, without ever knowing if that outcome wouldn't have been reached anyway. Assigning a probability is different from describing the mechanism. Do you see what I mean?[/size][/font][/font][/size][/font][/b] [/QUOTE]
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