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<blockquote data-quote="thanson02" data-source="post: 6745541" data-attributes="member: 6801619">You are not the only sad panda in the house.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f641.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":(" title="Frown&nbsp; &nbsp; :("&nbsp; data-smilie="3"data-shortname=":(" />Do much of what is above and I would do the following:1.&nbsp; Break the roles of classes into the builds: They started to do this with the Essential line and subclasses, but I would have kept it in the builds.2.&nbsp; Take all the utility powers and make them skill powers:&nbsp; I would also have some general class features like what they did with Essentials for the builds and give the players the option of swapping out the feature with a skill power at that level.3:&nbsp; Add more fluff with the Magic System:&nbsp; You can add substance without modifying the mechanics.&nbsp; I ended up writing a 10 page magic supplement for my 4E games to add more fluff and I only ended up making 3 house rules to make it work.&nbsp; Players are loving it.5:&nbsp; Cleaned up Skill Challenges and added material from the Unearthed Arcana articles to flush out non-combat options for players.Do that, make sure to do a solid play test it to make sure it works, and promote it as Advanced D&amp;D 4E or 4.5 (or insert other name here) and you are good to go.&nbsp; Oh, wait.&nbsp; Licensing......Again, sad panda........</blockquote>

[QUOTE="thanson02, post: 6745541, member: 6801619"] You are not the only sad panda in the house. :( Do much of what is above and I would do the following: 1. Break the roles of classes into the builds: They started to do this with the Essential line and subclasses, but I would have kept it in the builds. 2. Take all the utility powers and make them skill powers: I would also have some general class features like what they did with Essentials for the builds and give the players the option of swapping out the feature with a skill power at that level. 3: Add more fluff with the Magic System: You can add substance without modifying the mechanics. I ended up writing a 10 page magic supplement for my 4E games to add more fluff and I only ended up making 3 house rules to make it work. Players are loving it. 5: Cleaned up Skill Challenges and added material from the Unearthed Arcana articles to flush out non-combat options for players. Do that, make sure to do a solid play test it to make sure it works, and promote it as Advanced D&D 4E or 4.5 (or insert other name here) and you are good to go. Oh, wait. Licensing...... Again, sad panda........ [/QUOTE]

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