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Message: <blockquote data-quote="TheGogmagog" data-source="post: 2752545" data-attributes="member: 27702">My original answer was going to be smart-arsed: Several thousand Light years.  I can see the stars, and they are pretty far away.But after reading the comments about shadowy illumination, I think it's actually correct and *looks out for lightning bolts* <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh    :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" />  Hypersmurf may be wrong. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused    :confused:"  data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" /> -----------------------------------------------------Human 1                                         H3 <-30ft- H2Elf 1-----------------------------------------------------Two humans are standing in an open hallway 100' away.Situation 1: the hallway is well lit with torches, they see each other fine.Situation 2: one stands in total darkness, the second stands holding a torch.  The one in the darkness has full cover 50% miss chance.  The one holding the torch is in normal lighting no miss chance.  The third human is in shadowy illumination (20% miss chance) for the human, but is in normal lighing for the elf.Situation 3: one stands in total darkness, the second stands holding a candle.  The one holding the candle is in shadowy illumination for both the elf* and human.So my answer is A human can see just as far in a starlit night as he can in full daylight, but he suffers the concealment 20% miss chance.  See the terrain conditions for the <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/wilderness.htm" target="_blank">maximum spot distance</a>*After double checking with the above quotes, I see my candle analogy doesn't apply to moonlit** nights.  Oddly enough low light vision doesn't upgrade the quality of light from a candle, but does upgrade the moonlit night to full daylight.[edit]I just noticed Primitive Screwhead said the same thing.**No mention of what happens in starlight.For my poster C response, I would assign a value for the amount of light in terms of concealment between 0% (full daylight) to 50% (pitch black).  And then would reduce the elf's penalties by 20%.  You could also consider reducing the encounter distance based on the amount of concealment.  I wouldn't be surprised to find a rule on this but didnt see any.</blockquote>

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