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<blockquote data-quote="CapnZapp" data-source="post: 7142377" data-attributes="member: 12731">Very few games even bring this up, much less define it. And when they do, they sometimes gets it hilariously wrong.If you have ever been outside in actual, real life darkness, then you'll know that you can spot that pinprick of light from much farther away than a mere twenty yards. Obviously, assuming clear conditions. You could see a flashlight or bullseye lantern from literally a mile away.This sometimes makes it impossible to take a game seriously, for example if it suggests with a straight face it's a good idea for a sneaky thief to bring along a light (in order to see your way). In areas of pitch black conditions (which pretty much never happens outdoors, but commonly does in caves) even the ambient indirect light is easily detectable even if you completely cover the actual flame or light source.I mean, you-don't-even-need-to-roll easily. In a game with honest-to-gawd Darkvision, you simply don't do cave skulking as a human without Darkvision. Either you forget about it completely, or you get yourself Darkvision somehow. It's that easy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="CapnZapp, post: 7142377, member: 12731"] Very few games even bring this up, much less define it. And when they do, they sometimes gets it hilariously wrong. If you have ever been outside in actual, real life darkness, then you'll know that you can spot that pinprick of light from much farther away than a mere twenty yards. Obviously, assuming clear conditions. You could see a flashlight or bullseye lantern from literally a mile away. This sometimes makes it impossible to take a game seriously, for example if it suggests with a straight face it's a good idea for a sneaky thief to bring along a light (in order to see your way). In areas of pitch black conditions (which pretty much never happens outdoors, but commonly does in caves) even the ambient indirect light is easily detectable even if you completely cover the actual flame or light source. I mean, you-don't-even-need-to-roll easily. In a game with honest-to-gawd Darkvision, you simply don't do cave skulking as a human without Darkvision. Either you forget about it completely, or you get yourself Darkvision somehow. It's that easy. [/QUOTE]

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