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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Orius" data-source="post: 3959508" data-attributes="member: 8863">I've already been saying over the last few day that too much of an implied setting hurts the homebrewer.I can accept that not all homebrewers want something that just cribs from Greyhawk and/or Mystara, even the Realms.  But then those homebrewers might not also want Bael Turath, GWA, and so on.  That's the point that's being missed here.  It's not a matter of Gary's old fluff being excised from the game so people have more freedom to develop their campaigns, it's Gary's fluff being replaced with another set of fluff.Then there's the axing of all those old settings back during the end of 2e.  They were dividing up the D&D base and hurting sales overall.  Now with 4e, the designers are coming with all this implied setting material.  Why do we need yet another generic D&D setting?  We already have Greyhawk, Mystara, the Realms, and even Eberron.  What happened to the many buckets theory? We definitely don't need a fifth generic setting to evolve out of this fluff. If a default setting is needed in the books, and Greyhawk isn't cutting it any more, why not just make the Realms the official default and be done with it?  The game was already heading in that direction during 2e.  When WotC took over and tried to appease the fans that had been burned by T$R's bad public relations, they tried to restore Greyhawk to the official setting but that just didn't work out.  Is it going to matter how pissed the old Greyhawk fans are going to be any more, especially if they haven't bought anything new in 20 years?  They're probably either using the old 1e rules or C&C and getting new material from canonfire.  It's a bit of a shame to see Greyhawk die out like this, but it's already been given several chances.  The Realms sell, so use them. If a short chapter is needed in say the DMG to help DM's get started in a Realms game, I don't mind.  And if people need a setting book, well the Realms book will be coming out about the same time as the core books, right?  I'm not really interested in running the Realms myself, but I can easily ignore Realms fluff.  I'm not sure how easy this new stuff will really be to ignore.</blockquote>

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