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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aegeri" data-source="post: 5425591" data-attributes="member: 78116">But an illusion school mage's level 1 apprentice feature isn't <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />Wrong and especially wrong in light of the DPR calculations I did above. Especially when combining different penalties together.This is an awful assumption, because the power targets will and that's a weak defense for many monsters. Combined with the fact that a wizard can boost accuracy quite easily, they will not be riding a 50% chance to hit against will -it will be much higher (I apologize for the pun). That's just wrong and doesn't match my experience (all the way into two epic games at all. One even pre-expertise feats). Especially because a huge chunk of monsters dump stat will (much like some PCs), so they actually have much weaker will defenses than the game would assume. I don't think you'll see anyone who has crunched the maths for accuracy against monster NADs agree that targeting will is poor (or that you'll just get 50% to hit). Fortitude is not as good because a lot of monsters are strength/con primary, couldn't agree more there. Reflex would be in the middle, but will definitely lags behind.Which are still both great, especially when the marked enemy who pushed the fighter/knight away now needs to be back adjacent to them.</blockquote>

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