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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 5432838" data-attributes="member: 2011">They are not exactly the same (on average).I said: "Will is typically the easiest NAD to hit with a range of Level+9 through Level+14 (for will resistant elites) and a typical average of Level+11." and this is a relatively true statement.As an example, the Will range for 12 level MM2 and MM3 elites are 21 to 26 or Level+9 through Level+14 and an average of Level+12.Level 12 Elites in MM3:23 Adult Blizzard Dragon25 Cambion Infernal Scion24 Eye of Shadow25 Oblivion Moss Mindmaster:24.25 averageLevel 12 Elites in MM2:22 Bone Golem21 Gorechain Devil26 Oni Overlord25 Phoelarch Mage/Phoera25 Phoelarch Warrior/Phoera23.8 averageNon-elites, you won't find too many (if any) 26 Wills in MM2 or MM3 at level 12. They pretty much top out at 25. And the average is closer to 23 for Standard level 12 monsters in these books (i.e. Level+11 like I said).As a general rule though, Elites still have slightly higher Will defenses (about 1 higher on average) than Standard monsters. They might not be Level+16 max anymore, but they are still often (maybe half the time) at the high end at Level+13 or Level+14 and average Level+12, whereas Standard monsters are more often in the Level+11 range.Course, MM1 monsters are still being used by people as well, so one cannot assume that these monsters are not possible:Level 12 Elites in MM1:28 Dusk Unicorn26 Ettin Spirit-Talker22 Flesh Golem22 Guardian Naga26 Lamia27 Umber Hulk25.16 average</blockquote>

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