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<blockquote data-quote="MaskedGuy" data-source="post: 8335123" data-attributes="member: 6916225"><p>In general, I'm pretty annoyed when people who don't read 2e materials start claiming that 2e materials are somehow less dark. Especially when it comes with weird claims that weren't true in 1e either. (also while I still find it silly goblins are common instead of uncommon, especially since varisian goblins are still same as before, kobolds and iruxi ARE uncommon. Main difference is that setting is more explicit about the "yeah no, town guards aren't randomly murderous everywhere" that has never really been case in aps outside of ustalav)</p><p></p><p>Like its still same writers mostly. Apparently Agents of Edgewatch has content comparable to saw movies in term of brutality.</p><p></p><p>Abomination Vault, Age of Ashes and Extinction Curse have plenty of dark stuff as well. Heck same applies to modules, like The Fall of Plaguestone's villain wants to kill entire town and there is chance of them succeeding at it if players mess up. The actual lightest ap in tone of Fist of Ruby Phoenix and that is because 1) it focuses on fun of the competition aka it isn't about "duel to the death" combat 2) it has plenty of 80s movie/anime/jrpg moments. Like seriously, I'm 100% it emulates most perfect kind of cheese on purpose x'D</p><p></p><p>(also like Anastasia is LN character. Like sure LN is much kinder alignment than NE Elvanna, but I don't know where people get idea that she is particularly nicer and not just in comparison)</p><p></p><p>But yeah, people tend to ignore that whenever old bad guy is removed, they get replaced with someone else. Gorilla King of Usaro is dead, but now there is wizard pretending to be liberator of humans and great warrior capable of scaring chara-kau making their power play to take over the city. In Taldor besides political intrigue there is repeated signs of three headed crow making appearance. Ban on slavery means that certain hidden factions are on the move. Sarkoris is still demon filled wasteland because demons didn't just get magically banished back. And in a way, Whispering Tyrant getting freed replaces Worldwound as whole as the "Catastrophic scale local threat" of Avistan.</p><p></p><p>And then we learn of things like "in Vudra on certain region there is hole where seemingly infinite amount of aberrations keep climbing out of".</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MaskedGuy, post: 8335123, member: 6916225"] In general, I'm pretty annoyed when people who don't read 2e materials start claiming that 2e materials are somehow less dark. Especially when it comes with weird claims that weren't true in 1e either. (also while I still find it silly goblins are common instead of uncommon, especially since varisian goblins are still same as before, kobolds and iruxi ARE uncommon. Main difference is that setting is more explicit about the "yeah no, town guards aren't randomly murderous everywhere" that has never really been case in aps outside of ustalav) Like its still same writers mostly. Apparently Agents of Edgewatch has content comparable to saw movies in term of brutality. Abomination Vault, Age of Ashes and Extinction Curse have plenty of dark stuff as well. Heck same applies to modules, like The Fall of Plaguestone's villain wants to kill entire town and there is chance of them succeeding at it if players mess up. The actual lightest ap in tone of Fist of Ruby Phoenix and that is because 1) it focuses on fun of the competition aka it isn't about "duel to the death" combat 2) it has plenty of 80s movie/anime/jrpg moments. Like seriously, I'm 100% it emulates most perfect kind of cheese on purpose x'D (also like Anastasia is LN character. Like sure LN is much kinder alignment than NE Elvanna, but I don't know where people get idea that she is particularly nicer and not just in comparison) But yeah, people tend to ignore that whenever old bad guy is removed, they get replaced with someone else. Gorilla King of Usaro is dead, but now there is wizard pretending to be liberator of humans and great warrior capable of scaring chara-kau making their power play to take over the city. In Taldor besides political intrigue there is repeated signs of three headed crow making appearance. Ban on slavery means that certain hidden factions are on the move. Sarkoris is still demon filled wasteland because demons didn't just get magically banished back. And in a way, Whispering Tyrant getting freed replaces Worldwound as whole as the "Catastrophic scale local threat" of Avistan. And then we learn of things like "in Vudra on certain region there is hole where seemingly infinite amount of aberrations keep climbing out of". [/QUOTE]
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