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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8567689" data-attributes="member: 93670">It's strange that you'd comment about how 3.x was the first that had something other than "crap" support for high power play as an option while we are discussing how modern d&d has made it the only supported style by removing things like the pointbuy options weaker starting levels & more difficult recovery 3.x had then jump to erven older editions to switch topics from how modern d&d has changed.I quoted a few of the 8(one has 4 so technically 11) earlier from the 3.5 dmg pg169/170 methods for generating stats & wouldn't be surprised if the 3.0 dmg had the same or similar.  When talking about prior editions of d&d, 3.5 is very much a prior edition.  The importance of having a low baseline that the gm can choose to dial up is that it's easier to give players free & better stuff than it is to nerf or take it away. Back in the days of ad&d and 3.x it was common to see houserules & things that provided a higher powered start, those houserules could be used to stoke enthusiasm & player buyin for a game/campaign concept but you almost never see the same in reverse now because it's an extreme uphill battle in a system with too many other components designed to fight it(death saves, long/short rests & extreme recovery/etc).Nobody was stopping your GM from letting you roll a hero  pointbuy an elite member of your race or start with an elite hero with notable experience & levels  because those options were available to simply point at, those are the only options presented in modern d&d though.Not at all, a lot of the people on the other side of the discussion are mostly GMs.  When players start with lower stats I as the GM have more room to bring them up through cool magic items they can be excited about over the course of the campaign.  When level 1 is actually dangerous & it takes a few levels to really get to a point where a character is considered seasoned then I as the GM have those levels I can horsetrade for more enthusiastic buyin because players are discussing how I'm going to let them be awesome rather than endure a list of ways that I'm going to be nerfing them.</blockquote>

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