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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 8567696" data-attributes="member: 114">One of the changes in theme that I’ve noticed is the players place in the campaign world. In OD&D, BEMCI, 1e, there was an implied advancement from being dungeon crawlers to becoming landholders with broader responsibilities. They didn’t give many rules around that beyond the rules for setting up castles, temples etc and attracting followers, but it assumed that there would be a bunch more role playing around that. 2e I wasn’t really around for, and can’t speak to. Interesting that it had settings like Birthright which might be considered the apotheosis of this strand. 3e sent the theme ‘back to the dungeon’ with a vengeance. Gone was any implication of growing to take a position in the wider world. 4e continued this trend and I’ve not read 5e fully but wouldn’t be surprised if that continued. Basically doing the same kind of thing all the time with challenges scale around you. Interestingly 4e did consider three ‘tiers’ of play, but I was disappointed that it seemed more about how weird your battlefield is, rather than doing different types of thing. That’s not to say that people didn’t do campaign building with all versions of the rules; it’s just that the early sets of rules clearly marked “here was a different level of play”.</blockquote>