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<blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8569178" data-attributes="member: 93670">Um... ok? This isn't about kung pao chicken or mushrooms.&nbsp; Using your very flawed food analogy... if&nbsp; I'm driving to a chinese place that has both of those things on the menu &amp; paying.&nbsp; You can go or not go but ordering pizza from grubhub&nbsp; &amp; having them deliver it to the table at the chinese restaurant with the expectation that I still pay/gm is&nbsp; very much not.The hubris is staggering.&nbsp; Part of the GM's role&nbsp; &amp; responsibilities in all editions is to determine what is acceptable for the game they will be running.&nbsp; You aren't forced to play at my table &amp; I'm quite happy telling a player who thought &quot;I'll quit&quot;/&quot;I won't play&quot; would give them veto power over my game as a player.&nbsp; You are doing a great job proving my point about why removing the ability to point at other options&nbsp; in the phb/dmg for attribute generation from the GM's toolbox was an incredibly GM hostile choice&nbsp; of modern d&amp;d.&nbsp; Modern d&amp;d might make efforts to turn the GM into a captive powerless cruise ship director but that's still a gm responsibilityGood, that's usually great, but if I'm running a game where I require all stats be rolled in order that comfort zone is at some other table with some other GM who is not me because the game I'm running in that situation is all stats rolled in order. The last time I required that style of rolling the rules were &quot;3d6 in order bur reroll the entire array if you don't have at least two scores above 14&quot; [spoiler[&quot;and the resulting scores [spoiler=&quot;were extremely generous&quot;][ATTACH=full]153162[/ATTACH][/spoiler]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="tetrasodium, post: 8569178, member: 93670"] Um... ok? This isn't about kung pao chicken or mushrooms. Using your very flawed food analogy... if I'm driving to a chinese place that has both of those things on the menu & paying. You can go or not go but ordering pizza from grubhub & having them deliver it to the table at the chinese restaurant with the expectation that I still pay/gm is very much not. The hubris is staggering. Part of the GM's role & responsibilities in all editions is to determine what is acceptable for the game they will be running. You aren't forced to play at my table & I'm quite happy telling a player who thought "I'll quit"/"I won't play" would give them veto power over my game as a player. You are doing a great job proving my point about why removing the ability to point at other options in the phb/dmg for attribute generation from the GM's toolbox was an incredibly GM hostile choice of modern d&d. Modern d&d might make efforts to turn the GM into a captive powerless cruise ship director but that's still a gm responsibility Good, that's usually great, but [I]if[/I] I'm running a game where I require all stats be rolled in order that comfort zone is at some other table with some other GM who is not me because the game I'm running in that situation is all stats rolled in order. The last time I required that style of rolling the rules were "3d6 in order bur reroll the entire array if you don't have at least two scores above 14" [spoiler["and the resulting scores [spoiler="were extremely generous"][ATTACH type="full" alt="1646941107704.png"]153162[/ATTACH][/spoiler] [/QUOTE]

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