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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8573443" data-attributes="member: 6987520">Haven't read through the 1000+ posts, but in comparing AD&D to 5E at least they flipped the script when it comes to magic and classes that can use it.In 1E, you had the following classes:BarbarianBard (after Fighter/Thief)Cavalier(Paladin)Cleric(Druid)Fighter(Ranger)Magic-User(Illusionist)MonkThief(Acrobat)(Assassin)Starting with spells were just Cleric, Druid, Magic-User, and Illusionist. Paladins and Rangers didn't get spells until 8th or 9th levels. Monks couldn't cast spells, but had many features which were magic-like. Bards get spells, but not until after completing a number of levels of fighter and thief first.Depending on what level you played to, only the base casters would likely get spells, so just 4 classes of the 14.By contrast, in 5E, you have the following classes:BarbarianBardClericDruidFighterMonkPaladinRangerRogueSorcererWarlockWizardNow, half the classes are casters (Bard, Cleric, Druid, Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard), and Paladins and Rangers get spells at level 2 (after only 300 xp!). Monk abilities (especially with subclasses) are more magical than ever. Even Fighters and Rogues have casting subclasses!Considering the magic-like features of even some subclasses, I think only Barbarian is fairly non-magical, with Fighter and Rogue close by. So, just 3 classes of the 14 DON'T have magic, spells, etc.So, the script has flipped.Now, I only played 3E briefly (about 15 years ago) and never played 4E, but I suspect the trend was there, culminating in what we have in 5E. Others can speak more accurately on those editions in this regard than I can.</blockquote>

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