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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8574154" data-attributes="member: 16814">I have.&nbsp; Perhaps you'd like to point out which parts you think are particularly troublesome instead of encouraging me to guess which ones they are?This seems to run entirely counter to the gist of the argument -- if downtime is in the hands of the player ONLY because of the type of game the GM is running... how is this not under the GM's control, again?That's just it, I haven't handwaved your arguments.&nbsp; I've addressed them with clear reasons I don't think they hold water.&nbsp; That's the opposite of handwaving.&nbsp; Meanwhile, just saying 'handwave' in response to those arguments I made is actually handwaving them away.&nbsp; It's odd that I'm being accused of handwaving by vigorous handwaving!&nbsp; I'm humored, really.Okay, great, I'm glad your advice helped people.&nbsp; I've given advice in different directions and it's helped people as well.&nbsp; People are gonna do what they're gonna do.&nbsp; I have absolutely no objections to you saying that your style of play is such that you find it would be easier if you had control over x y and z, and that you have no intention of changing your approach otherwise.&nbsp; That's fine, you can 100% do that and even advocate for that.&nbsp; My argument hasn't been against this, but against the blanket declarations that you're making about how the GM is impoverished in control over the game in 5e from 3e.&nbsp; That's a staggering claim to me.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8574154, member: 16814"] I have. Perhaps you'd like to point out which parts you think are particularly troublesome instead of encouraging me to guess which ones they are? This seems to run entirely counter to the gist of the argument -- if downtime is in the hands of the player ONLY because of the type of game the GM is running... how is this not under the GM's control, again? That's just it, I haven't handwaved your arguments. I've addressed them with clear reasons I don't think they hold water. That's the opposite of handwaving. Meanwhile, just saying 'handwave' in response to those arguments I made is actually handwaving them away. It's odd that I'm being accused of handwaving by vigorous handwaving! I'm humored, really. Okay, great, I'm glad your advice helped people. I've given advice in different directions and it's helped people as well. People are gonna do what they're gonna do. I have absolutely no objections to you saying that your style of play is such that you find it would be easier if you had control over x y and z, and that you have no intention of changing your approach otherwise. That's fine, you can 100% do that and even advocate for that. My argument hasn't been against this, but against the blanket declarations that you're making about how the GM is impoverished in control over the game in 5e from 3e. That's a staggering claim to me. [/QUOTE]

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