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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 8576898" data-attributes="member: 93670">No, that is a symptom  of my point.  Much of my point lies on facts,<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">modern d&d is less lethal than prior editions*.  That reduced lethality has a lot of side effects, one of them is the fact that the GM can no longer incentivize cooperative character creation & such by providing mitigating factors like higher stats a free feat a magic item or whatever other common thing.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">doing those things in modern d&d will overpower the now very powerful characters with little risk of death  because the system is designed so that the lethality is so low.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Magic items were once required to varying degrees in past editions & are now no longer required at all as wotc loves to say "magic items are optional"<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">with magic items being optional & not needed in modern d&d the gm has extremely limited leeway in how much they can give with magic items before it disrupts the game with overpowered characters who require encounters of say...."<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/how-has-d-d-changed-over-the-decades.686433/post-8576532" target="_blank">hordes of foes or CR foes 8+</a>" in order to be challenged at all due to the power those magic items add to already very powerful characters in a system with minimal chance of death.  That puts the players in a position where any influence upon them including simply challenging their characters can be viewed as hostile abusive killer GM'ing.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The GM could use filling that need in various ways to incentivize players & shift balance.  Lacking those tools the gm is unable to do those things in modern d&d</li> </ul>.In a discussion about how the GM is no longer able to use tools they once could to incentivize player interest  & choices during play or resolve points of conflict in backstories that need resolving it is important to illustrate reasonable examples of things those tools could resolve in a hypothetical example like your Thorin one.  The fact that over the years  I've had to regularly make those same kinds of corrections to resistant players who came in knowing that it was an eberron game before pitching thorin makes it even more reasonable to point out.   If there were no  issues that needed correction with the  thorin example it would have made a bad example on my part to pointlessly say words like "this is great it fits my AiME inspired game perfect & GM's obviously don't need those tools because of this one example" rather than shifting worlds or something in order to give a hypothetical reaction that might provide some amount of clarity to your question in the context of the tools discussion.As to that bolded bit, no that would have been like vowing to play a murder hobo who cares nothing for the world as someone did.  Instead I said reasonable things like "I tend to use dragons more like eberron's dragons & this conflicts". I used statements like that because they are reasonable ones that allow a player who is interested in resolving the conflict to do so and provides important information that the player could ask about if they don't know how eberron's dragons differ.  "* 4e excluded simply because I didn't play it enough to speak confidently on it  & all of the usual 4e quagmire reasons</blockquote>

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