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Message: <blockquote data-quote="overgeeked" data-source="post: 8584458" data-attributes="member: 86653">Okay. And of those, what mechanical challenges, setbacks, consequences, etc last through a long rest? So far, I've only found curses, exhaustion (only 2+ levels), death, and consumable item use. If I'm missing some, I'd honestly love to know about them. Another is technically spent Hit Dice, but almost no one uses it that way. Everyone thinks a long rest resets Hit Dice, too, even though it's supposed to be 1/2 of your spent Hit Dice, not all of them. But whatever.I'm just more interested in the mechanical side of things because the narrative is purely table based. Your table of deep-immersion roleplayers are going to react quite differently to a narrative setback than a table of murder hobos. So, to be mechanically interesting, the game needs to have mechanical setbacks. Lasting consequences. Obstacles the characters have to deal with that cannot be napped away. That list above. There's four things. Those are the only angles for lasting mechanical obstacles for characters. That's nothing. Especially when most of them are trivial to overcome. Cursed? Find a cleric, scroll, or wait until your cleric hits 5th level. More than 2 levels of exhaustion? Rest more. Suffering from a slight case of death? If you're 1st through 4th level, find a high-level cleric or roll a new character. If you're 5th-level or higher, you likely have a caster who can fix it. Consumables running low, go to literally any town and drop a few gold...that you're more than likely swimming in after 1st level. And for food and water, forget about it. Cleric, druid, ranger, or Outlander and you literally never have to worry about food or water again.So...where's the mechanical setbacks? Looks like the only one is death, and then only for a really short window.Context is wonderful. Let's look at the context. Gygax says in a 279-word paragraph "it's a game, not a simulation-realism" but then provides 350+ pages of almost pure simulation-realism rules. We need to be honest about that disparity and honest about the difference in weight involved. The weight clearly lies with the 350+ pages of simulation-realism rules. If you go with Gary's one paragraph, you have to ignore his 350+ pages of rules to do so. If you go with Gary's 350+ pages of rules, you have to ignore that one paragraph. I've yet to meet an AD&D DM who didn't ignore and/or laugh at that one paragraph. Most of them say some version of "I didn't buy the book to ignore 99.9% of it."</blockquote>

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