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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8587013" data-attributes="member: 42582">I've dug up my copy of Men &amp; Magic. Of course the editing is impeccable, so spell research is found on p 34 (after the spell descriptions) but making magic items is in the MU class description (p 7).The list is: spell scrolls, potion of healing, potion of giant strength, 20 magical arrows, +1 armour, a wand of cold, and a ring of X-ray vision.Of course it's not the same as Expert. Here are the comparisons (OD&amp;D vs Expert vs AD&amp;D):Scroll of spells (100 gp &amp; 1 week per level / --- / no gp cost given but 1 day per level)

Potion of Healing (250 gp &amp; 1 week / --- / 200 gp &amp; 2 days)

Potion of Giant Strength (1,000 gp &amp; 4 weeks / --- / 500 to 750 gp &amp; 5 to 8 days)

20 arrows +1 (1,000 gp &amp; 4 weeks / 10,000 gp &amp; 1 month / ---)

Armour +1 (2,000 gp &amp; 2 months / 10,000 gp &amp; 6 months / - - -)

Ring of X-Ray Vision (50,000 gp &amp; 1 year / 100,000 gp &amp; 1 year / ---)

Wand of Cold (10,000 gp &amp; 6 months / ---/ ---)

Ring of Spell Storing (--- /&nbsp; 10,000 gp &amp; 1 month per spell level / 5,000 gp + a scroll of the spells + a Wish and possibly a Permanency spell + Enchant an Item)

Crystal Ball (--- / 30,000 gp &amp; 6 months / ---)I think it would be generous to call this a system. It's barely even a framework.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8587013, member: 42582"] I've dug up my copy of Men & Magic. Of course the editing is impeccable, so spell research is found on p 34 (after the spell descriptions) but making magic items is in the MU class description (p 7). The list is: spell scrolls, potion of healing, potion of giant strength, 20 magical arrows, +1 armour, a wand of cold, and a ring of X-ray vision. Of course it's not the same as Expert. Here are the comparisons (OD&D vs Expert vs AD&D): [indent]Scroll of spells (100 gp & 1 week per level / --- / no gp cost given but 1 day per level) Potion of Healing (250 gp & 1 week / --- / 200 gp & 2 days) Potion of Giant Strength (1,000 gp & 4 weeks / --- / 500 to 750 gp & 5 to 8 days) 20 arrows +1 (1,000 gp & 4 weeks / 10,000 gp & 1 month / ---) Armour +1 (2,000 gp & 2 months / 10,000 gp & 6 months / - - -) Ring of X-Ray Vision (50,000 gp & 1 year / 100,000 gp & 1 year / ---) Wand of Cold (10,000 gp & 6 months / ---/ ---) Ring of Spell Storing (--- / 10,000 gp & 1 month per spell level / 5,000 gp + a scroll of the spells + a Wish and possibly a Permanency spell + Enchant an Item) Crystal Ball (--- / 30,000 gp & 6 months / ---)[/indent] I think it would be generous to call this a [i]system[/i]. It's barely even a framework. [/QUOTE]

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