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<blockquote data-quote="Dr_Ruminahui" data-source="post: 5229448" data-attributes="member: 81104">Well, recently I DIDN'T get a PC death, despite really, really trying to.&nbsp;For plot reasons, I really wanted to kill off the eladrin warlord in my party - although he has no wish to rule (or to be responsible... for anything, really), he shows up in a city where he has a stronger claim to the throne than the guy sitting on it. So, said ruler puts his assassin's onto him.&nbsp;It was an n+3 encounter, with pretty much EVERY attack that possibly could be directed at the warlord was. Couldn't kill him... couldn't even keep him down long enough to coup-de-gras him. Did manage to knock him below 0 HPs three times, but between his own healing, that of the cleric and the palladin's - I just couldn't keep him down long enough for the assassin's to &quot;do the deed&quot;. The party didn't even blow through all its heals. That said, the battle certainly had them all on their toes and working equally hard to keep the warlord upright... so, I think it was fun for all involved, even if it didn't advance the plot in the way I had hoped (I wanted to introduce them to the NPC that would raise the warlord from the dead... guess I get to save the party meeting her for if I manage to kill off someone later).&nbsp;So, yeah... having 2.5 leaders in a 4 man party (the challadin is the .5) makes it really hard to meaningfully challenge the party. I'm going to try doing it through attrition - 5 n+2 encounters with an n+3 at the end... hopefully by the final encounter they'll be sweating bullets. That said, I don't plan on doing that too often - given that we play at most for 4 hrs 2x a month, I like short adventures of 5 encounters max, as it keeps things from dragging out too long.&nbsp;That said, the near-death experience of the warlord seems to have put the fear of god into him... the very next encounter (an n+2) he blew both his dailies, which I imagine he'll end up regretting...&nbsp;Anyway, sorry if this is all terribly off topic, but I thought that an account of when a death didn't happen might be helpful to the OP.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dr_Ruminahui, post: 5229448, member: 81104"] Well, recently I DIDN'T get a PC death, despite really, really trying to. For plot reasons, I really wanted to kill off the eladrin warlord in my party - although he has no wish to rule (or to be responsible... for anything, really), he shows up in a city where he has a stronger claim to the throne than the guy sitting on it. So, said ruler puts his assassin's onto him. It was an n+3 encounter, with pretty much EVERY attack that possibly could be directed at the warlord was. Couldn't kill him... couldn't even keep him down long enough to coup-de-gras him. Did manage to knock him below 0 HPs three times, but between his own healing, that of the cleric and the palladin's - I just couldn't keep him down long enough for the assassin's to "do the deed". The party didn't even blow through all its heals. That said, the battle certainly had them all on their toes and working equally hard to keep the warlord upright... so, I think it was fun for all involved, even if it didn't advance the plot in the way I had hoped (I wanted to introduce them to the NPC that would raise the warlord from the dead... guess I get to save the party meeting her for if I manage to kill off someone later). So, yeah... having 2.5 leaders in a 4 man party (the challadin is the .5) makes it really hard to meaningfully challenge the party. I'm going to try doing it through attrition - 5 n+2 encounters with an n+3 at the end... hopefully by the final encounter they'll be sweating bullets. That said, I don't plan on doing that too often - given that we play at most for 4 hrs 2x a month, I like short adventures of 5 encounters max, as it keeps things from dragging out too long. That said, the near-death experience of the warlord seems to have put the fear of god into him... the very next encounter (an n+2) he blew both his dailies, which I imagine he'll end up regretting... Anyway, sorry if this is all terribly off topic, but I thought that an account of when a death didn't happen might be helpful to the OP. [/QUOTE]

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