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<blockquote data-quote="AlexS" data-source="post: 4535671" data-attributes="member: 66286"><p>As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with the 4e power level. Who is really to say what commoner's stats are- the stats don't exist in the game world, so whether Tim the adventurer can beat Bob the blacksmith in an arm wrestle is up to DM fiat. As pointed out already, the PC's seem to be relatively less powerful in comparison to common monsters at 1st level than in previous editions, and that is where the comparisons matter. </p><p></p><p>Similarly, Just because a PC has certain mechanics, doesn't mean that he's spent his entire life training to use them, to the exclusion of all else. For example:</p><p> </p><p> Fred may have remained a simple farmer all his life if the goblin raiders had never destroyed his village and killed his loved ones, but when they came, he picked up his axe and started fighting for his life. With nothing left to stay home for, he takes to the road, seeking vengeance on those who slew his family and to prevent others suffering as he has. </p><p> </p><p>Now, I've no problem with Fred being a 1st level fighter from the get-go. Maybe it's luck that's kept him alive, maybe he's just more naturally talented at cleaving things in twain, maybe fate has a more important destiny for him. Maybe he doesn't particularly stand out from the crowd for any of those reasons, but because he alone, out of all the other common farmers in the land, has the drive, conviction, or sheer insanity to take the fight to the enemy, as opposed to hiding under the bed or cowering behind a pallisade.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AlexS, post: 4535671, member: 66286"] As far as I'm concerned, I'm happy with the 4e power level. Who is really to say what commoner's stats are- the stats don't exist in the game world, so whether Tim the adventurer can beat Bob the blacksmith in an arm wrestle is up to DM fiat. As pointed out already, the PC's seem to be relatively less powerful in comparison to common monsters at 1st level than in previous editions, and that is where the comparisons matter. Similarly, Just because a PC has certain mechanics, doesn't mean that he's spent his entire life training to use them, to the exclusion of all else. For example: Fred may have remained a simple farmer all his life if the goblin raiders had never destroyed his village and killed his loved ones, but when they came, he picked up his axe and started fighting for his life. With nothing left to stay home for, he takes to the road, seeking vengeance on those who slew his family and to prevent others suffering as he has. Now, I've no problem with Fred being a 1st level fighter from the get-go. Maybe it's luck that's kept him alive, maybe he's just more naturally talented at cleaving things in twain, maybe fate has a more important destiny for him. Maybe he doesn't particularly stand out from the crowd for any of those reasons, but because he alone, out of all the other common farmers in the land, has the drive, conviction, or sheer insanity to take the fight to the enemy, as opposed to hiding under the bed or cowering behind a pallisade. [/QUOTE]
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