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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 5181426" data-attributes="member: 7635">I primarily meant it as &quot;How necessary is it to have their stats in the Monster Manual&quot;. You can answer that (as others have) by stating their importance to the game as a whole OR to your specific campaign. 2e tried to remove the &quot;demonic&quot; element from them by giving them different names and removing many of the &quot;real world&quot; demons &amp; devils. It also cut them from the Monster Compendium (re-appearing in the Outer Planer supplement, then the Planescape setting).Granted, by the time I started playing most of the latter was out and the fact they weren't &quot;demons and devils&quot; was moot, but 2e really did try to remove the demonic influence from D&amp;D IP in ways 1e (and later editions) embraced.Another good point; many settings like DL, RL, or even Eberron reduce the roles of demons and devils (though Eberron does raise raksasha's as important evil incarnates). And BECMI doesn't touch them until the Immortal rules (to keep it kiddie-friendly, I wager). While I doubt anyone wouldn't call these experiences &quot;D&amp;D&quot; they do provide a very different experience than 1e/3e/4e's.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 5181426, member: 7635"] I primarily meant it as "How necessary is it to have their stats in the Monster Manual". You can answer that (as others have) by stating their importance to the game as a whole OR to your specific campaign. 2e tried to remove the "demonic" element from them by giving them different names and removing many of the "real world" demons & devils. It also cut them from the Monster Compendium (re-appearing in the Outer Planer supplement, then the Planescape setting). Granted, by the time I started playing most of the latter was out and the fact they weren't "demons and devils" was moot, but 2e really did try to remove the demonic influence from D&D IP in ways 1e (and later editions) embraced. Another good point; many settings like DL, RL, or even Eberron reduce the roles of demons and devils (though Eberron does raise raksasha's as important evil incarnates). And BECMI doesn't touch them until the Immortal rules (to keep it kiddie-friendly, I wager). While I doubt anyone wouldn't call these experiences "D&D" they do provide a very different experience than 1e/3e/4e's. [/QUOTE]

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