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<blockquote data-quote="jmucchiello" data-source="post: 5182355" data-attributes="member: 813"><p>The problem is the Celestials tend to be big and strong entities while the demons and devils have more grunts. I can't imagine an army of Solars flying into the local hills to smite the evil kobolds and goblins.</p><p></p><p>So more likely they would work as the village hedge wizard/witch keeping evil at bay covertly. And I have used this trope in my games from time to time and probably in equal proportion to the evil witch/hag/devil encouraging vileness in the village covertly. So, I don't understand. Why not, angels? That question is on you. Why don't you use angels?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Last time I ran an invasion it was from an alien LE plane (not Hell). I've always wanted to have a modron invasion but haven't gotten around to it. Yes, the party would be fighting being of pure LAW trying to turn the prime material plane into a world of clockwork lawfulness.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Because if celestials are busy chatting you up, then there are two parties of infernals doing whatever they want while both you and celestials are having tea. IOW, there's no reason for the celestials to track the party down (or to attract the party's attention) assuming a modicum of heroism on the party's part.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Evil doesn't want to sweep mortals away. They want to corrupt them. Can't corrupt the non-existent.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmucchiello, post: 5182355, member: 813"] The problem is the Celestials tend to be big and strong entities while the demons and devils have more grunts. I can't imagine an army of Solars flying into the local hills to smite the evil kobolds and goblins. So more likely they would work as the village hedge wizard/witch keeping evil at bay covertly. And I have used this trope in my games from time to time and probably in equal proportion to the evil witch/hag/devil encouraging vileness in the village covertly. So, I don't understand. Why not, angels? That question is on you. Why don't you use angels? Last time I ran an invasion it was from an alien LE plane (not Hell). I've always wanted to have a modron invasion but haven't gotten around to it. Yes, the party would be fighting being of pure LAW trying to turn the prime material plane into a world of clockwork lawfulness. Because if celestials are busy chatting you up, then there are two parties of infernals doing whatever they want while both you and celestials are having tea. IOW, there's no reason for the celestials to track the party down (or to attract the party's attention) assuming a modicum of heroism on the party's part. Evil doesn't want to sweep mortals away. They want to corrupt them. Can't corrupt the non-existent. [/QUOTE]
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