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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6103592" data-attributes="member: 82106">I couldn't elicit any of that behavior in my groups by trying. In fact in my Weekday group I DID try, gave the rogue a cursed dagger and told the player about how his character was possessed by voices, etc. He still didn't go for it. I finally had to resort to the old "you can't control yourself, make a Thievery check!" lol. Finally just tossed them a Remove Curse scroll, they just weren't into it. Even in the "bad" old days it was pretty rare. Miscues? Yeah, those happen, but I hate to tell you how often that would happen in real life... Well, it would be, if such a guy existed, lol. In fact 'Sarge' was my 'DMPC' in the 2nd game I ran of 4e. He was an NPC 'warlord' that would yank the PCs around and whatnot to teach the players tactics (they were quite hapless), which worked GREAT for explaining how these novices could actually be an effective team. The mere fact that the PCs can assume and use a sensible marching order, employ tactics like flanking, concentrating fire, etc is huge. The truth is it takes quite a bit of training to bring actual soldiers to that level, and they'll never have the easy communications and ability to assess and plan in rapid tactical time like you have in D&D.</blockquote>