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<blockquote data-quote="Jester David" data-source="post: 6103912" data-attributes="member: 37579"><p>Better example might be Shadowbane from Erick Scott deBie's Realms series, created as a rogue-paladin multiclass but well-suited to be an avenger with rogue-paladin multiclassing being un-optimal in 4e. </p><p>Soloman Kane might be another good example of a religious hunter.</p><p>I don't think you can call the Crow or the Punisher or even Batman avengers. There's no religion or faith in those characters. And "implacable, single-minded, ideologically-driven zealot" is a description of a personality, not a class. You could role-play an avenger as a cheery, bouncy Pinky Pie character but it would still be an avenger. </p><p></p><p>And the above examples aren't so prominent that they scream "this MUST be a class." Not without first looking at the gap of the divine striker and wondering "what could fit here?" </p><p>They toyed around with designing a martial controller for the same reasons. </p><p></p><p>There are many, many archetypal characters that don't have classes. Because they're character archetypes and not class archetypes. Not every potential character idea deserves to be its own class. </p><p>There's no lightly armoured Dexterous swashbuckling class yet the <em>Three Musketeers</em> is very iconic. The wrestler/ brawer/ mixed-martial-artist is quite big and lacks the ki powers of the monk, so it's a very different creature. And with rangers getting spells from level 1 there's the Robin Hood archer type character that's not magical. And D&D has never done the Van Helsing/ Rudolph Van Richten smart monster hunter archetype well, always forcing it down the rogue or ranger path. </p><p>But we don't need more classes. They're redundant. </p><p></p><p>What's an avenger? </p><p>Depends on the character. The more religious might be a paladin or cleric. Some might be multiclassed with the ranger (for favoured enemy) or the rogue. Or they might be straight rogue/ranger/fighter with a religious-based background (acolyte IIRC) and the flavour of church sanctioned assassin. Or even just straight fighter with flavour-based faith in a higher power. </p><p>There are lots of ways to play the religious-themed hunter of evil.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Jester David, post: 6103912, member: 37579"] Better example might be Shadowbane from Erick Scott deBie's Realms series, created as a rogue-paladin multiclass but well-suited to be an avenger with rogue-paladin multiclassing being un-optimal in 4e. Soloman Kane might be another good example of a religious hunter. I don't think you can call the Crow or the Punisher or even Batman avengers. There's no religion or faith in those characters. And "implacable, single-minded, ideologically-driven zealot" is a description of a personality, not a class. You could role-play an avenger as a cheery, bouncy Pinky Pie character but it would still be an avenger. And the above examples aren't so prominent that they scream "this MUST be a class." Not without first looking at the gap of the divine striker and wondering "what could fit here?" They toyed around with designing a martial controller for the same reasons. There are many, many archetypal characters that don't have classes. Because they're character archetypes and not class archetypes. Not every potential character idea deserves to be its own class. There's no lightly armoured Dexterous swashbuckling class yet the [I]Three Musketeers[/I] is very iconic. The wrestler/ brawer/ mixed-martial-artist is quite big and lacks the ki powers of the monk, so it's a very different creature. And with rangers getting spells from level 1 there's the Robin Hood archer type character that's not magical. And D&D has never done the Van Helsing/ Rudolph Van Richten smart monster hunter archetype well, always forcing it down the rogue or ranger path. But we don't need more classes. They're redundant. What's an avenger? Depends on the character. The more religious might be a paladin or cleric. Some might be multiclassed with the ranger (for favoured enemy) or the rogue. Or they might be straight rogue/ranger/fighter with a religious-based background (acolyte IIRC) and the flavour of church sanctioned assassin. Or even just straight fighter with flavour-based faith in a higher power. There are lots of ways to play the religious-themed hunter of evil. [/QUOTE]
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