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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6104194" data-attributes="member: 82106">Three observations: 1) Garthanos is right, a PrC is bad because it forces you to advance a number of levels before you can have your character concept work. This is a BIG advantage of 4e class design, you match your archetype from day 1.2) The "set of abilities any other class could reasonably develop" applies to ANYTHING that any other class has. Want to pick locks, you can learn that; cast spells, you can learn that too; swing a sword, anyone should be able to learn that. I would say that learning to lead men well is no less or more deep a skill than any of those others, each of which has a whole major class attached to it. If Warlord isn't a class, then neither is Fighter. 3) Given the LARGE number of literary and historical figures who are known almost entirely for their leadership exploits (Even King Arthur is barely discussed as a warrior, he's a LEADER) I find it extremely odd that you would categorize this one class as 'too niche'. Honestly, I think you guys are reaching. Here, lets actually look at Mallory's Camelot and see what we find:Arthur) Warlord, undoubtedly a capable fighter, his main characteristic is he can lead and inspire others. Lancelot) Paladin, though flawed. Could perhaps be best modeled as a fighter in contrast with Galahad.Galahad) Definitely a paladin.Merlin) Wizard, certainly, though I'd note he's more like some sort of special NPC as opposed to being a PC sort.Morgana) Enchantress, maybe the witch class would work, but again not really a PC, still 'wizard-like', so 4e can handle this concept within wizard. Modred) Blackguard, he's a classic, all filled with spite.LoTL) Cleric, this is more the classic wonder worker sort of supporting role, though not really too close to a PC concept as it shows up here.Green Knight) WardenWe could probably stretch the milieu a bit and imagine barbarians (picts, norsemen), rangers (Sir Pelys perhaps), etc. Some other types appear in other tales such as a Bard (variously named, doesn't appear in Mallory), more explicit priests, and possibly druids. If you widen your net to modern genre fiction we can definitely find all of these sorts as well as perhaps an Avenger or two. Obviously you CAN eliminate any of these classes and do something else. Pretty much any class can be second-guessed, and EVERY one of them has been proposed to be removed by someone at some point, including all of the big 4, but personally I think there's plenty of justification for all the ones that exist.</blockquote>

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