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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4772790" data-attributes="member: 48965">That's the whole point since you've turned it into a spell... let's not forget casting time, components, etc. either. You asked me what the differences are in making it a spell... then turn around and say but it's the same besides everything that makes it a spell...<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f615.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":confused:" title="Confused&nbsp; &nbsp; :confused:"&nbsp; data-smilie="5"data-shortname=":confused:" />&nbsp;&nbsp;No they aren't...again you're ignoring all the differences in how the two abilities work and only focusing on their similarities. The whole point is that a spell (magic) is effectively different from an ability like the Barbarian's Rage... it functions on a different paradigm because it is magic. The Barbarian's ability will function in an anti-magic room... the spell will not. Depending on the situation the benefits to having either will be different. &nbsp;&nbsp;Right, only your again avoiding my whole point... a spell in previous editions had mechanical and fluff differences that clearly differentiated it as magic...as opposed to a natural,extraordinary, psychic, etc. ability&nbsp;&nbsp;Uhm let's see...first it's important to remember that even though it was seperated into divine and arcane... both were still considered magic so I don't think there was that huge of a difference since they are effectively, pre 4e, subsets of the same power source...magic. Second while not as different in how they work as say psionics and magic there were still some differences...&nbsp;1. Arcane had schools, Divine had domains.2. The accesss to your spells was restricted by your alignment and/or your deity. (This IMHO really brough home the fact that you were different from a Wizard or Sorcerer they studied, learned, stole or whatever their magic... yours is a gift bestowed upon you by a greater force.)&nbsp;Edit: Arcane is based around one's intelligence or force of personality... while divine magic is based around wisdom.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4772790, member: 48965"] That's the whole point since you've turned it into a spell... let's not forget casting time, components, etc. either. You asked me what the differences are in making it a spell... then turn around and say but it's the same besides everything that makes it a spell...:confused: No they aren't...again you're ignoring all the differences in how the two abilities work and only focusing on their similarities. The whole point is that a spell (magic) is effectively different from an ability like the Barbarian's Rage... it functions on a different paradigm because it is magic. The Barbarian's ability will function in an anti-magic room... the spell will not. Depending on the situation the benefits to having either will be different. Right, only your again avoiding my whole point... a spell in previous editions had [B]mechanical[/B] and fluff differences that clearly differentiated it as magic...as opposed to a natural,extraordinary, psychic, etc. ability Uhm let's see...first it's important to remember that even though it was seperated into divine and arcane... both were still considered magic so I don't think there was that huge of a difference since they are effectively, pre 4e, subsets of the same power source...magic. Second while not as different in how they work as say psionics and magic there were still some differences... 1. Arcane had schools, Divine had domains. 2. The accesss to your spells was restricted by your alignment and/or your deity. (This IMHO really brough home the fact that you were different from a Wizard or Sorcerer they studied, learned, stole or whatever their magic... yours is a gift bestowed upon you by a greater force.) Edit: Arcane is based around one's intelligence or force of personality... while divine magic is based around wisdom. [/QUOTE]

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