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Message: <blockquote data-quote="LostSoul" data-source="post: 4773576" data-attributes="member: 386">No prob. I agree with you.I'm still trying to wrap my head around all this!Let's assume all abilities are magic in 4E (or all abilities are mundane, which is strange, but a possible interpretation - I guess that would be the Dying Earth-type math-magic).  There's no distinction in the rules, no reason to say one thing is magic and another is mundane.  I can make an attack vs. Fort, close blast 3, deal 1d6 + stat mod and push 3 with a Thunderwave or (conceivably) a martial power.  (That wouldn't be a bad power for a staff or longspear.)Spoilers for a Keep on the Shadowfell:[sblock]Magic Circle: Ninaran followed Kalarel’s instructions in creating this magic circle to raise the dead. The circle pulsates with a sickly glow. With a DC 15 Arcana or Religion check, a PC can determine that the magic circle is the reason for the animated undead, and that it can be disabled with the Arcana skill. If a PC makes three DC 15 Arcana checks before getting three failures, the circle is disabled and the animated dead fall and become mere corpses again. [text quoted from the free .pdf, I hope that's kosher][/sblock]Can my fighter disable that magic circle with Arcana?  What if he's not trained in Arcana?  What if he wanted to use it to Dominate the NPCs?  Can he disable it with a martial attack?  If the answer is no, why not?What's the difference between playing a game where the rules tell us this and one where the rules don't say anything?  (I think, more specifically, I'm interested in how this relates to gamism; that is, players overcoming challenges through smart choices based on their own skill and experience with the game or setting.  I think that these gaps in interpretations may open a space for players to learn about a particular DM's world and, through experience, become more adept at overcoming challenges in that world.)</blockquote>

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