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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 4773870" data-attributes="member: 23977">You stated that because it "takes control" of an NPC without that NPC having any chance to avoid that control then it's magic. This argument implies that if it allowed a miss chance then it would be mundane. Plenty of spells in previous editions have allowed saving throws. Why are they not viewed as mundane?If a spell can have a miss chance and still be magic, then why can't a mundane effect NOT have a miss chance and still be mundane?I'm saying that Mallus has explained a viewpoint that works for him, and others as well.  Just because you dissagree with his statement doesn't mean his explaination "failed."Kask indicated that he couldn't believe how anyone could still be viewing CaGI as non magic.Malus gave a reason why others might still be doing so.Stateing that his viewpoint "failed" in this case indicates that you seem to be saying his viewpoint could not possibly be valid for himself, or others that agree with him. So yes, I feel in this case you are deciding without allowing for individual viewpoints on rules interpretation that his answer has failed, without accepting that others play in a different style.Good thing I wasn't doing that, so I'd appreciate an end to the snide remarks.</blockquote>