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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 4773914" data-attributes="member: 48965">I'm sorry, but what? What &quot;rules&quot; am I misunderstanding? Since you follow this up with talk about flavor text I really need some clarification here. In fact most of the flavor text doesn't explicitly state that a power is magical or mundane... it's descriptive in nature, gives a visual, but doesn't go into how something was accomplished... but nice try. As far as the meta-narrative... I don't think you understand what you're talking about. The meta-narrative &quot;control&quot; explanation is the opposite of it being magic...not the same, but whatever.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Uhm, you roll to beat the DC and the NPC acts accordingly does not equal... you dictate what the NPC does. As an, admittedly contrived, example... if you don't know enough about the NPC you can predict wrong how they will respond to a lie...&nbsp;Player A: &quot; old man there's a monster in the cellar of your inn, a beast with slavering jaws and eyes the color of blood.&quot; I rolled a 20 plus 10 is total 30.&nbsp;DM: A gleam apppears in the old man's usually dull eyes, he reaches behind the bar and pulss an old blade from beneath it. &quot;Come on lad, enough chater it's time to deal with that bugger.&quot;&nbsp;Player A: What! That's not fair... I wanted to scare him so he'd leave the inn and I could rob the place.&nbsp;DM: Well, old Grondar here used to be an adventurer and has been missing the old days... he's ready for a little action...of course he's gonna be a little p'd there really is no monster.&nbsp;Now how is Player A controlling the NPC by making a Bluff check again? Whether the NPC believes the lie is decided by the roll... how he reacts to it is determined by the DM.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 4773914, member: 48965"] I'm sorry, but what? What "rules" am I misunderstanding? Since you follow this up with talk about flavor text I really need some clarification here. In fact most of the flavor text doesn't explicitly state that a power is magical or mundane... it's descriptive in nature, gives a visual, but doesn't go into how something was accomplished... but nice try. As far as the meta-narrative... I don't think you understand what you're talking about. The meta-narrative "control" explanation is the opposite of it being magic...not the same, but whatever. Uhm, you roll to beat the DC and the NPC acts accordingly does not equal... you dictate what the NPC does. As an, admittedly contrived, example... if you don't know enough about the NPC you can predict wrong how they will respond to a lie... Player A: " old man there's a monster in the cellar of your inn, a beast with slavering jaws and eyes the color of blood." I rolled a 20 plus 10 is total 30. DM: A gleam apppears in the old man's usually dull eyes, he reaches behind the bar and pulss an old blade from beneath it. "Come on lad, enough chater it's time to deal with that bugger." Player A: What! That's not fair... I wanted to scare him so he'd leave the inn and I could rob the place. DM: Well, old Grondar here used to be an adventurer and has been missing the old days... he's ready for a little action...of course he's gonna be a little p'd there really is no monster. Now how is Player A controlling the NPC by making a Bluff check again? Whether the NPC believes the lie is decided by the roll... how he reacts to it is determined by the DM. [/QUOTE]

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