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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeremy Ackerman-Yost" data-source="post: 4784281" data-attributes="member: 4720">I will assume that is at least partially because you travel in gaming circles where those kinds of things are just more or less expected.  I frequently find myself trying to introduce new people to the hobby, usually people who have played computer games and board games with a reasonable concept of balance.2e and 3e were more or less completely unpalatable to most.  And these are intelligent, creative cats with multiple degrees and the ability to immerse themselves in theater, Settlers of Catan, Blizzard video games, or a deep, introspective discussion of the merits William Shatner's singing career, coarse ground mustard, and Socratic teaching methods, among other things.  You would think I'd be in a fertile land for planting D&D enthusiasts.  They should be growing like kudzu on steroids.I have not had the opportunity to try 4th with them yet, though the Penny Arcade/PVP/Wheaton podcasts are doing some reasonable evangelizing for me, so hope springs eternal.... at least until my wife finishes her current degree and we move again next year and I get to start all over again.... again.</blockquote>