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<blockquote data-quote="JustinA" data-source="post: 3503668" data-attributes="member: 51618"><p>It sounds like you're talking about the original <em>Creature Collection</em>. It's important to remember that the CC was designed not only before the MM came out, it was designed before the PHB came out. They were working from a preliminary and incomplete version of the SRD.</p><p></p><p>And it's easy to say now, "Well, <em>of course</em> monsters are going to use the same attack bonus scales that the PCs do." But prior to 3rd Edition that wasn't true. So there wasn't any reason to suspect that 3rd Edition monsters wouldn't have largely arbitrary stats geared by gut instinct to challenge particular PCs.</p><p></p><p>Now, those excuses set aside: Yeah, I never got more than cursory use out of the CC. And there's plenty of sloppy stat blocks out there. And I think it's unacceptable for a professional company to tolerate stat block or mechanical errors (although errors do happen).</p><p></p><p>But products like the Monsternomicon and Green Ronin's fiend books and the Penumbra Bestiary all performed as well as WotC does in this regard. (Disclaimer: I worked on the Penumbra Bestiary.)</p><p></p><p>The thing with 3rd Party material is that it introduced competitiveness to the D&D supplement market: Which means that you're going to have a lot more high quality material, and that high quality material is generally going to be superior to what you'd have otherwise. But it also means that you need to take the effort to separate the wheat from the chaff.</p><p></p><p>Lumping all the the third-party publishers into a single category in your mind is like getting an undercooked steak and declaring that you will never eat steak again.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JustinA, post: 3503668, member: 51618"] It sounds like you're talking about the original [i]Creature Collection[/i]. It's important to remember that the CC was designed not only before the MM came out, it was designed before the PHB came out. They were working from a preliminary and incomplete version of the SRD. And it's easy to say now, "Well, [i]of course[/i] monsters are going to use the same attack bonus scales that the PCs do." But prior to 3rd Edition that wasn't true. So there wasn't any reason to suspect that 3rd Edition monsters wouldn't have largely arbitrary stats geared by gut instinct to challenge particular PCs. Now, those excuses set aside: Yeah, I never got more than cursory use out of the CC. And there's plenty of sloppy stat blocks out there. And I think it's unacceptable for a professional company to tolerate stat block or mechanical errors (although errors do happen). But products like the Monsternomicon and Green Ronin's fiend books and the Penumbra Bestiary all performed as well as WotC does in this regard. (Disclaimer: I worked on the Penumbra Bestiary.) The thing with 3rd Party material is that it introduced competitiveness to the D&D supplement market: Which means that you're going to have a lot more high quality material, and that high quality material is generally going to be superior to what you'd have otherwise. But it also means that you need to take the effort to separate the wheat from the chaff. Lumping all the the third-party publishers into a single category in your mind is like getting an undercooked steak and declaring that you will never eat steak again. [/QUOTE]
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