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<blockquote data-quote="jester_gl" data-source="post: 5082360" data-attributes="member: 86093">As the only character with thievery in a party, I can attest that it is useful to open lock and maybe some skill challenge, but totally useless in combat.&nbsp; A locked door of my level is usually a 2+ on the d20 to unlock it, same thing for success out of combat.&nbsp; (halfling, trained, dex-stat, background and using thieves tools, don't forget that free +2).&nbsp;&nbsp; But in-combat trap taking 6 standard action to succeed, after finding the panel or something, is completely useless.&nbsp; Especially when you have to stand in front of the trap the whole time, getting shot at for for a considerate amount.&nbsp;I guess getting a surprise round once in a while by stealthily opening a door instead of having to bash it open is worth having one guy trained in it.&nbsp; And I'm not even trained in stealth.&nbsp; Wild sorcerer multi into thieves btw.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jester_gl, post: 5082360, member: 86093"] As the only character with thievery in a party, I can attest that it is useful to open lock and maybe some skill challenge, but totally useless in combat. A locked door of my level is usually a 2+ on the d20 to unlock it, same thing for success out of combat. (halfling, trained, dex-stat, background and using thieves tools, don't forget that free +2). But in-combat trap taking 6 standard action to succeed, after finding the panel or something, is completely useless. Especially when you have to stand in front of the trap the whole time, getting shot at for for a considerate amount. I guess getting a surprise round once in a while by stealthily opening a door instead of having to bash it open is worth having one guy trained in it. And I'm not even trained in stealth. Wild sorcerer multi into thieves btw. [/QUOTE]

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