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<blockquote data-quote="Garthanos" data-source="post: 8354393" data-attributes="member: 82504">That may be the base but I see more to it.&nbsp; A few more broad examples that people might see more easily. Your 5e fight assuming 3 rounds is really just&nbsp; half a fight in 4e (*yes that is sort of what you mention with encounter hp too) and the 1 hour break opportunity &quot;short rest&quot;&nbsp; happens about half as many times a day ok very approx.&nbsp; The heroic to epic range has one fewer tiers of progression that is a real difference 4e has no analog to 5es lowest tier (15 latter levels of 5e can however thus be seen as analogous to the 30 levels of 4e, note also player character hit points in this range are very close to identical *ie my 4e level 1 has hp like a level 5, 5e. You can see it in magic items too my 4e magic item is up to +6 vs almost always +3 in 5e.&nbsp; There are so ons and so forths. People thinking narrative drove 5e seems like buying into a marketing ploy.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Garthanos, post: 8354393, member: 82504"] That may be the base but I see more to it. A few more broad examples that people might see more easily. Your 5e fight assuming 3 rounds is really just half a fight in 4e (*yes that is sort of what you mention with encounter hp too) and the 1 hour break opportunity "short rest" happens about half as many times a day ok very approx. The heroic to epic range has one fewer tiers of progression that is a real difference 4e has no analog to 5es lowest tier (15 latter levels of 5e can however thus be seen as analogous to the 30 levels of 4e, note also player character hit points in this range are very close to identical *ie my 4e level 1 has hp like a level 5, 5e. You can see it in magic items too my 4e magic item is up to +6 vs almost always +3 in 5e. There are so ons and so forths. People thinking narrative drove 5e seems like buying into a marketing ploy. [/QUOTE]

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