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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8355677" data-attributes="member: 6790260">That's fair. And yeah, 4e feats mostly were incremental things. That's part of why multiclass feats stood out--they were heckin' chonkers compared to most feats.But there were still some others that were pretty chunky. Some of the White Lotus feats (read: blending magic and martial skill), Dragonmarks (incredibly popular), Power of Skill if you had a really useful utility power you could nab, many racial feats (and especially racial feats for specific classes) tended to be quite good. None, I admit, quite as chunky as most of the very good 5e feats, but as noted, 4e spread the power out among a larger pool of choices. Some could even enable some ridiculous fun combos, like the Barbarian/Monk/Ranger combo that could do rocket punches.[SPOILER=&quot;Digression about 4e rocket-punching&quot;]Specifically, being a hybrid Ranger/Monk, with a Barbarian multiclass feat so you qualify for Hurl Weapon. Monks, including hybrid ones, have the Off-Hand property on their bare fists. The Barbarian feat Hurl Weapon lets you use any one-handed off-hand weapon as a heavy thrown weapon, aka using Strength, with a normal range of 25 feet, 50 feet long range. Ranger gives you Twin Strike, so you can double-tap with your punches. Congratulations, you can now punch enemies at a range of 25 feet without penalty, twice a round. I always thought of it as a &quot;vacuum wave&quot;/&quot;chi blast,&quot; since in principle your attacks benefit from your ki focus, but flavor is up to you.[/SPOILER]Overall though, I think it's pretty much inarguable that 4e at least tried to make feats good, even if it didn't specifically try to make all of them big chunks of feat. (Haha, I'm punny.) 5e builds most on the concept of the chunkiest feats in 4e, and then says, &quot;We'd like more.&quot; I don't believe 5e really nailed the execution on this, as noted with my examples of feats that feel...inadequate compared to getting +2 even to a secondary or tertiary stat, but</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8355677, member: 6790260"] That's fair. And yeah, 4e feats [I]mostly[/I] were incremental things. That's part of why multiclass feats stood out--they were heckin' chonkers compared to most feats. But there were still [I]some[/I] others that were pretty chunky. Some of the White Lotus feats (read: blending magic and martial skill), Dragonmarks (incredibly popular), Power of Skill if you had a really useful utility power you could nab, many racial feats (and especially racial feats for specific classes) tended to be quite good. None, I admit, quite as chunky as most of the very good 5e feats, but as noted, 4e spread the power out among a larger pool of choices. Some could even enable some ridiculous fun combos, like the Barbarian/Monk/Ranger combo that could do rocket punches. [SPOILER="Digression about 4e rocket-punching"]Specifically, being a hybrid Ranger/Monk, with a Barbarian multiclass feat so you qualify for Hurl Weapon. Monks, including hybrid ones, have the Off-Hand property on their bare fists. The Barbarian feat Hurl Weapon lets you use any one-handed off-hand weapon as a heavy thrown weapon, aka using Strength, with a normal range of 25 feet, 50 feet long range. Ranger gives you Twin Strike, so you can double-tap with your punches. Congratulations, you can now punch enemies at a range of 25 feet without penalty, twice a round. I always thought of it as a "vacuum wave"/"chi blast," since in principle your attacks benefit from your ki focus, but flavor is up to you.[/SPOILER] Overall though, I think it's pretty much inarguable that 4e at least [I]tried[/I] to make feats good, even if it didn't specifically try to make [I]all [/I]of them big chunks of feat. (Haha, I'm punny.) 5e builds most on the concept of the chunkiest feats in 4e, and then says, "We'd like more." I don't believe 5e really nailed the execution on this, as noted with my examples of feats that feel...inadequate compared to getting +2 even to a secondary or tertiary stat, but [/QUOTE]

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