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<blockquote data-quote="loverdrive" data-source="post: 8356834" data-attributes="member: 7027139">Where do &quot;no drama&quot; and &quot;no tension&quot;come from? The PC can't die in Apocalypse World, unless the player explicitly decides so, and in all AW games I've run or played there were tons of drama and tons of tension. My Swords Under The Sun, where one must either try really hard or be a complete moron to die in a meaningless conflict, is a goddamn suffering simulator, where everyone loses everything they hold dear and envy the dead, who don't have to suffer anymore.So, no, not wanting the character to die is not the same as not wanting drama or tension. Death often resolves all drama and tension.I don't want my characters to die. I want them to suffer. I want them to pray to all the ugliest fattest cannibal gods to give them the sweet gift of death.And I don't think dying from a random goblin is dramatic at all. Real people in chaotic real life die for no reason, important characters die to make a statement. Obi Wan Kenobi didn't just lose in the fight with Darth Wader, he died, because the cause was worth dying for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="loverdrive, post: 8356834, member: 7027139"] Where do "no drama" and "no tension"come from? The PC can't die in Apocalypse World, unless the player explicitly decides so, and in all AW games I've run or played there were [I]tons[/I] of drama and [I]tons[/I] of tension. My Swords Under The Sun, where one must either try really hard or be a complete moron to die in a meaningless conflict, is a goddamn suffering simulator, where everyone loses everything they hold dear and envy the dead, who don't have to suffer anymore. So, no, not wanting the character to die is not the same as not wanting drama or tension. Death often resolves all drama and tension. I don't want my characters to die. I want them to [B]suffer[/B]. I want them to pray to all the ugliest fattest cannibal gods to give them the sweet gift of death. And I don't think dying from a random goblin is dramatic at all. Real people in chaotic real life die for no reason, important characters die to make a statement. Obi Wan Kenobi didn't just lose in the fight with Darth Wader, he died, because the cause was worth dying for. [/QUOTE]

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