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<blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 8363604" data-attributes="member: 82106">Well, it is good to see that your logical mind is still functioning well, my friend <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> I think we both know, nothing about this whole 'treadmill debate' is in any way shape or form sense making. IMHO it is all just post-hoc rationalization.Yes, 4e is VERY transparent about the fact that D&amp;D is a system of sliding scales which cancel each other out. I can accept aesthetic arguments related to that, but in the final analysis its just a question of if you like your rules systems plain and simple and right in front of you where you can tweak them, or more obtusely wrapped up in a layer of what is actually a good idea vs what the rules bother to tell you.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="AbdulAlhazred, post: 8363604, member: 82106"] Well, it is good to see that your logical mind is still functioning well, my friend ;) I think we both know, nothing about this whole 'treadmill debate' is in any way shape or form sense making. IMHO it is all just post-hoc rationalization. Yes, 4e is VERY transparent about the fact that D&D is a system of sliding scales which cancel each other out. I can accept aesthetic arguments related to that, but in the final analysis its just a question of if you like your rules systems plain and simple and right in front of you where you can tweak them, or more obtusely wrapped up in a layer of what is actually a good idea vs what the rules bother to tell you. [/QUOTE]

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