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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8363969" data-attributes="member: 16814">I agree.&nbsp; I wouldn't ask my level 20 5e characters to bother with it, either.&nbsp; I was looking for a quick example to showcase how approach matters and can fold in all of the things you were touting for 4e and picked starting a fire.&nbsp; Eh.Sure, that sounds really hard to me!&nbsp; So that level 20 EPIC 4e guy who's learned a bit along and along has... no chance of starting that fire.&nbsp; They're +10, maybe +12, and the DC is 34.&nbsp; Granted, because that sounds really hard, the 5e guy can't do it either, so same same.&nbsp; If it was just hard, though, the 5e guy has a 5% chance.This is my point -- the bounded nature of the DCs in 5e actually means that the impact is pretty similar between the systems.&nbsp; Oh, sure, Skill Challenges is definitely a tool I very much like.&nbsp; I added it to my 5e games.DISCLAIMER:&nbsp; again, I feel the need to say that I really like 4e.&nbsp; It's a great system for which my esteem has only grown over time.&nbsp; I'm not putting 4e down, and I'm certainly not claiming 5e is better, in any way.&nbsp; My druthers would have been for an iterated 4e system rather than 5e, but I like 5e well enough.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8363969, member: 16814"] I agree. I wouldn't ask my level 20 5e characters to bother with it, either. I was looking for a quick example to showcase how approach matters and can fold in all of the things you were touting for 4e and picked starting a fire. Eh. Sure, that sounds really hard to me! So that level 20 EPIC 4e guy who's learned a bit along and along has... no chance of starting that fire. They're +10, maybe +12, and the DC is 34. Granted, because that sounds really hard, the 5e guy can't do it either, so same same. If it was just hard, though, the 5e guy has a 5% chance. This is my point -- the bounded nature of the DCs in 5e actually means that the impact is pretty similar between the systems. Oh, sure, Skill Challenges is definitely a tool I very much like. I added it to my 5e games. DISCLAIMER: again, I feel the need to say that I really like 4e. It's a great system for which my esteem has only grown over time. I'm not putting 4e down, and I'm certainly not claiming 5e is better, in any way. My druthers would have been for an iterated 4e system rather than 5e, but I like 5e well enough. [/QUOTE]

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