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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8364094" data-attributes="member: 22779">Wait, what?&nbsp; Where is that?&nbsp; The default is one monster vs 4 PC's?&nbsp; I know that was the baseline in 3e, but, I wasn't aware that that was the baseline in 5e.&nbsp; And it certainly a baseline that is pretty much completely rejected by published modules.Again, please don't cherry pick.&nbsp; Sure, a 5th level wizard does that once a day.&nbsp; A 10th level wizard does that a heck of a lot more.&nbsp; How many 44 round adventuring days do you have?&nbsp; I've yet to see one in 5e.&nbsp; Mind you, even at 12 rounds, that's 3-4 encounters.&nbsp; And, frankly, that's an adventuring day for a lot of the time.I'll totally admit to the hyperbole of that specific example.&nbsp; Of course, the fact that you ignored the larger point - any class with access to spells totally leaves the fighter in the dust.&nbsp; Which, apparently you agree with.And, for those who want to claim that the casters are not totally out damaging the non-casters, actually track it for a couple of sessions.&nbsp; Really.&nbsp; Take your next two or three sessions, and track the damage totals.&nbsp; Everyone sees the fighter doing hits, dealing damage, doing all this stuff and thinks, oh, well, sure they're on par.&nbsp; They aren't.&nbsp; They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, which, frankly is pretty sad for a class whose entire raison d'etre is dealing damage.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8364094, member: 22779"] Wait, what? Where is that? The default is one monster vs 4 PC's? I know that was the baseline in 3e, but, I wasn't aware that that was the baseline in 5e. And it certainly a baseline that is pretty much completely rejected by published modules. Again, please don't cherry pick. Sure, a 5th level wizard does that once a day. A 10th level wizard does that a heck of a lot more. How many 44 round adventuring days do you have? I've yet to see one in 5e. Mind you, even at 12 rounds, that's 3-4 encounters. And, frankly, that's an adventuring day for a lot of the time. I'll totally admit to the hyperbole of that specific example. Of course, the fact that you ignored the larger point - any class with access to spells totally leaves the fighter in the dust. Which, apparently you agree with. And, for those who want to claim that the casters are not totally out damaging the non-casters, actually track it for a couple of sessions. Really. Take your next two or three sessions, and track the damage totals. Everyone sees the fighter doing hits, dealing damage, doing all this stuff and thinks, oh, well, sure they're on par. They aren't. They really are scraping the bottom of the barrel, which, frankly is pretty sad for a class whose entire raison d'etre is dealing damage. [/QUOTE]

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