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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Neonchameleon" data-source="post: 8364340" data-attributes="member: 87792">My point? 5e has moved the realm where competence exists out of the actual rules and into a realm of pure imagination you claim exists that is not actually supported by the rules as published by WotC.<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When I look at monsters (as shown) the abilities that use PC skill DCs have them fixed. A level 1 and a level 20 wizard have exactly the same DC for escaping from a grab or engulf by e.g. a gelatinous cube.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When I look at traps whether in the DMG or the complex traps of Xanathar's the DCs to spot, avoid, and disarm remain the same and a level 20 wizard untrained in perception is exactly as likely to bimble into the same uncovered pit trap they did at level 1 at level 20.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">When I look at adventures there are set DCs in the adventure - so if it's not one of your areas of focus you get no better at it.</li> </ul>5e has indeed moved where "assumed competence" exists. They've moved it into the "things left behind with 4e" file.And you're arguing two contradictory things about 5e:<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">A monster (and for that matter a trap) has a flat DC because it is a functional object in the world independent of the player characters</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The player characters improve by lowering the DCs they require.</li> </ul>These can not both at the same time be true. Meanwhile the 4e situation is that a level 1 fighter needs a 10 to hit a goblin and a level 10 fighter needs a 10 to hit a giant. I guess the whole of pre-5e D&D got this wrong and the 5e bullet sponge enemies are the best?</blockquote>

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